Sugar Beet Guy
The final benchwork for the New Great Western Railway involves adding the upper level to the center peninsula. The helix providing access to the upper level was built as part of the lower level benchwork last year and is complete.  The Welty Branch benchwork was also done last year to test the upper level height and provide temporary storage for odds and ends. 

The design and construction of the base of the center peninsula was an evolutionary process. I knew what I wanted to accomplish and it just sort of happened. A carefully thought out design may have worked better but the “accidental design” worked out OK.

The next comment will have the gory details and photos to avoid everyone having to skip over the long winded part as [if] more comments are added.

George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

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Sugar Beet Guy

The Base, New Hot Wire Tools and Foam Features

The Upper Level Base

While most of the upper level Is built on shelf brackets attached to the walls of the train building, the center peninsula is a free standing “blob” 24 feet long.  Traditional benchwork techniques would use a 2x4 stub wall as the base of the peninsula.  Usually the wall is connected to the ceiling for strength and acts a a view block. The wall also adds some extra width to the peninsula, depending on the design.

I chose a different route.  I wanted the top of the peninsula to represent Johnstown, Colorado and to be operated from both sides.  One side leads to the Welty Branch beet dumps and the other side leads to the Johnstown sugar factory and the town of Milliken, as does the prototype.  I will use two-story buildings in downtown Johnstown to create a virtual view block – the room is still open but operators on each side of the peninsula mostly can’t see each other because of the buildings.

On my previous layout I used a non-traditional way to create a free-standing, two-level peninsula.  The lower level was a 2’x8’ flat sheet of 3/4” plywood. This plywood connected to the main layout benchwork at one end. The other end was supported by a 2’x6’ vertical sheet of ½” plywood forming a T-shaped section seen from the side. This was obviously not very strong or structurally stable. To complete the design, another piece of ¾” plywood was used to create a center “spine” on the top side of the T. The spine ran the length of the peninsula and acted as a backdrop on both sides of the lower level and a support for the upper level made from 2” extruded polystyrene insulation foam. A Masonite backdrop was added to the top to make a mushroom-like upper level. I thought of this as “monocoque” construction as used race cars – the base, end and backdrop acted as both structural members and scenic elements.  

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Not having legs under the peninsula allowed me to put an old sofa under the area to add seating to the “crew lounge”, albeit with a low ceiling.

The new center peninsula draws upon this design. It has narrow sections of open grid benchwork screwed to 24” high pieces of ¾” plywood. The open grid benchwork provides the base for the lower level as well as supporting the plywood spine. The spine provides great vertical rigidity, reducing the number of legs needed.  The top of the spine will support the upper level foam benchwork.

That much was constructed early on without much thought to the actual support of the upper level foam.  Being a frugal person (in some respects), the plywood I purchased was a lower grade and not the straightest pieces of lumber I have ever seen.  Because of this, the spine had a definite curve on the top (the open grid benchwork kept the bottom nice and straight).  To correct this, I screwed a stiffener made of 1x4 plywood across the top edge. One problem solved.  An afterthought was to add some stamped metal shelf brackets to temporarily support some 2x8 sheets of foam to provide more storage for odds and ends (I have a lot of odds and ends).  As things tend to happen, the temporary shelf brackets became permanent when the lower lever backdrop was added.  (I’m on the left).

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The initial pipe dream was to use shelf brackets on each side of the spine to simply support the foam. The 1x4 across the top threw a wrench into this idea.  After some thought, I decided to use plywood 1x2 ribs connected to the shelf brackets on one side and cantilevered across to support the other side. The stamped metal shelf brackets are plenty rigid and do the job nicely. The 1x2s will be embedded in the foam to provide the correct height of the upper level. The final schematic of the structure is shown below.

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The overall design creates a center “support wall” only 1 3/4” thick including the backdrop on both sides. That extra 2-4” of aisle width is always a good thing.

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New Hot Wire Tools

As mentioned in previous blog entries, I was not very happy with the first versions of the hot wire tools. They were dead simple – 0.047” piano wire stuck in holes drilled in plywood pieces.  The problem was the hot wire used to cut the foam also singed the wood, making the holes sloppy after a short time.  This allowed the nicely shaped wire to lean over and distort, making the cuts dimensionally inaccurate. I tried stapling the wire to the back of the tool but that only helped a little bit.  The end result was having to rebuild the tools every so often.    

I thought about searching for a more heat tolerant material – Bakelite might be good – but how to find something like that in my backwoods little town? A random thought came to me – how about using some kind of metal support for the wire?  A further thought took me back to my days working in a hobby shop. Model airplanes use metal “wheel collars” to hold stuff in position on piano wire. A visit to the local hobby shop produced some 1/16” wheel collars – a smidge too big but the set screw holds them tightly in place.  The collar is recessed on the foam side and another collar on the other side clamps against a small piece of brass. Shown below are the new and old tools after a lot of foam cutting (two different types of tools).   

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The new tool worked beautifully.  I was even able to turn up the current on the Variac to speed up the cutting (now 1/2” per second).  I cut a lot of foam with the new tools and they show no sign of distorting. I guess the metal collars spread the heat just enough to avoid singeing the wood.  I am careful to not cut too much at once – I cut about 12” then let the tool cool down for a few seconds.

Foam Features

The new sections called for 4’x8’ sheets of 2” foam.  Only one lumber yard in town carried this size and it was a Dow Corning product called “Foamular”.  It had one odd characteristic – it was scored ½” deep on both sides, presumably to aid insulation installers in trimming it to fit between studs. This obviously compromises the strength of the sheets so I have been careful when carrying them around. The sheets are well supported when installed on the layout so I am not very concerned about the strength.  With some luck, the latex paint will seep into the scores and seal them up.       

The only difference between the previous foam structure on simple shelf brackets and the new structure is the need to embed the 1x2 ribs in the foam to keep the height correct.  The new tool shown above is used to route a 2 ¼” wide by 5/8” deep channel in the foam. The 3/4” thick 1x2 is not flush with the foam – I wanted a 1/8” space between the foam and center spine to run DCC feeder wires through.

Everything else is the same as before with the exception of the vertical rear notch for shelf standards and rear horizontal groove DCC buss wires. Here is a photo of the bottom of the center peninsula foam pieces after the features were carved, the fascia supports were glued on and they were painted “Sky Blue”.    

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What Would I Do Differently?

A lot of extra work was involved in working around the warped plywood spine.  I would spend a little extra money to get good quality, straight plywood for the spine next time.  This would allow simple shelf brackets to be used on both sides and avoid the whole “cantilevered rib” thing.

However, the stamped metal shelf brackets do cause extra work when adding the backdrop.  The backdrop needs to be notched to clear the upper part of the brackets unless you waste extra space between the spine and the backdrop.  These notches are extra work on straight sections of the backdrop and are real bears on curved sections (like the backdrop around the helix). The backdrop on the other side of the spine is simply screwed directly to the spine.  

So I would also probably avoid stamped metal shelf brackets and  go with simple “standard and bracket” type systems like I used around the outside walls.  The thin notches to clear the brackets are easy to cut, even if the backdrop is already in place.

George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

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dantept

Benchwork and Skinny Lighting

George,

Based on your drawing and photo of the foam, it appears that you might still be intending to use the bare-bulb, non-fixture, non-code-conforming valance lighting.  For your sake and that of your neighbors and local fire-fighters, I sincerely hope not.

Dante

 

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rfbranch

Perfect for your Purpose

George-

Lighting concerns aside (I'm no electrician so I can't help) I must I'm I'm very interested in your benchwork design.  I'm of the opinion 90% of benchwork is way overbuilt  (including my own) with dimensional lumber etc. when we are dealing with really lightweight materials for the most part.

Thanks for your detailed pictures and explanation.  It makes for a concise and clear read!

 

~rb

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~Rich

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Proto-Freelanced Carfloat Operation, Brooklyn, NY c.1974

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Sugar Beet Guy

Lighting Upgraded

Thank you for your concern. I have improved my lighting based on previous comments.  I will not go into details for the obvious reasons.

However, I now use short pieces of PVC conduit between the bulbs, covering both bulb ends, the wire and the wire nuts. Small PVC conduit boxes cover the connections to the ballasts. No areas were a wire nut could come loose are exposed.  I still solder the wire to the bulbs - it is far more secure than a socket could ever be (and I do know how to solder properly - no cold joints). 

I don't think I mentioned before that all the lighting is plugged into receptacles that are controlled by two wall switches, one for the ceiling lights and one for wall outlets. The wall outlets (valence lighting and train power) are off except during operating sessions or when I'm working in a area. Nothing is powered when I am out of the room. 

George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

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Kevin Rowbotham

Plug-in is key

Since the lighting plugs in rather than being hardwired, I don't think you have to worry as much about codes.  Just make sure the wiring is heavy enough for the load and you should be fine.

One important consideration with a ballast is heat.  I trust you are not mounting them on combustible material?  IIRC, the electrical code in my area requires that wire entering florescent fixtures be rated for 90 degrees C.

I never considered bare tubes in the valance.  Done the right way it should work alright.  The switched outlets are a great idea for the train room, we should all have them and use them.

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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Sugar Beet Guy

Thanks

for the compliment, Rich. A lot of layouts seem to be very heavy duty. That's great if you intend to walk on them for access or are concerned with earthquakes. I've gone to the extreme of light duty benchwork.  My previous layout had a good size section built like this (but less fancy) and it held up perfectly for 10 years before it was dismantled for a move. 

The move highlighted one advantage of the foam construction - it came apart very easily and was a breeze to haul out of the basement compared to open grid/plywood/Homasote sections.  It was not, however, reusable as were some of the other sections that were adopted by some of my old operators.

Another advantage is the weight of the foam sections. I've been working outside when carving the foam with hot wire tools. The 4x8 sections are easy to to move around.

One of the end sections (the Johnstown sugar factory) would be difficult to work on when it is installed (long reach to the middle areas at 60" high) so I've done all the fussy track work, wiring and ballasting in the garage on a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" plywood on sawhorses. Very convenient.

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George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

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dantept

Plug-in is key

Many lighting devices are plug-in but are subject to design, manufacture and testing according to standards and codes; therefore, the "plug-in" nature of this lighting system is besides the point.  George is going to build a home-made, standard-voltage lighting system of undetermined safety that could be a real hazard to him, to others and to property, all to avoid the cost of tested, manufactured fixtures.  Clever but penny-wise and pound-foolish in my opinion.  I would be interested in the opinion of a licensed electrician and/or electrical inspector on this matter.

Dante

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Kevin Rowbotham

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Many lighting devices are plug-in but are subject to design, manufacture and testing according to standards and codes

Yes, if you intend to market the device for sale to the public.  If George were hardwiring this into his electrical system, he would be violating numerous codes.  Since he is not selling it and it IS plugged in rather than hard wired, I don't see where any codes or regulations come into play.  On the other hand, if a fire results from what George built himself and then plugged in, I'll bet his insurance will be voided.

You remind me of the the voice of doom from the ION Generator thread... possibly a relative? LOL!

From his description, George's wiring will be far safer than the knob and tube wiring that still exists in thousands or even millions of homes today, carrying loads much higher than it was never intended to carry.

While not an inspector or a journeyman electrician I have worked for a number of contractors over the years.  I'd have no qualms at all about doing what George is doing, FOR MYSELF.  If he does it right, as I would, there will be no danger to anyone.

Keep in mind that UL certified devices catch fire all the time.  The sticker doesn't mean much.

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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ratled

Somethings to consider

UL has several different ratings -  you can read about them here http://www.provowire.com/ulverified.asp. They do not all mean the same thing or give you same level of "protection".  Having some form of endorsement is a plus though.

While following the codes would be required if you where going through the permit process sticking to them is still important if you are not.  Your home owners insurance may (most likely) have  an exemption clause that would allow them to not to have to pay in the event of a loss.  Not having a permit isn't so bad, especially if you can demonstrate it was temporary wiring, but you will want to be able to demonstrate that you followed sound practices and used appropriate materials.  Using things like PVC in lieu of EMT could put you on the wrong side of the 8 ball. 

Don't get me wrong, my own wiring is temporary, just make an informed decision as you proceed.

Steve

 

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dantept

Skinny Lighting

I don't know what codes are applicable to George's location, but if any code exists, it is likely to require that not only the system but the fixtures be approved and listed (e.g., the International Building Code, used in many states).  Whether or not his location has such a code, it is basic common sense to follow that as a safety standard.  Unless George's location is remote from other human beings and structures and is not protected by a fire department, a failure of his light "fixture" can indeed affect the public as well as himself and his property.

Comparing his system to knob and tube is not testimony to its safety-we have come a long way since knob and tube! And because tested and listed equipment sometimes fails is hardly a reason for not availing oneself and society of the safety benefits of such testing that history clearly indicates.  

We are not talking here of a minor safety issue but potentially one of real significance.  To take a chance with such an important matter is foolish at best and possibly illegal.

Dante 

PS.  In addition to soliciting the opinion of an electrician or inspector, let's hear from any electrical engineer in the house.

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JeffStr

LET IT GO....

SHEESH!

Let it go already.

I'm interested in following this thread about benchwork and layout construction. The constant bickering back and forth really interrupts the flow.

The lighting thing is old news and forgotten by most of us.

dantept- if you need someone to say you're right to let it go - well - just let it go. Nothing to be gained by ranting against one fellow's posts every time he posts.

I was one who was also concerned with the lighting thread, and agreed with the outcome with that thread. This is something different.

But really, let it go. That "mark as spam" thing, how does that work? It seems that when scrolling it would be easy to accidentally click there on a touch pad...

 

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Kevin Rowbotham

Indeed

Yes if it helps, Dantept you are right.  Problem solved.

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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rfbranch

Great Picture

George-

Thanks for your under construction benchwork photo.  It definitely helps me better understand better how you are putting things together and looks like simple, sound and fast (most important to me!) construction.  When I build the capstone layout one of these days I'm going to try something along the lines of what you've done here with a combination of foam and ripped lightweight plywood.

 

 

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~Rich

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Proto-Freelanced Carfloat Operation, Brooklyn, NY c.1974

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Sugar Beet Guy

EE here

Dante asks "In addition to soliciting the opinion of an electrician or inspector, let's hear from any electrical engineer in the house."

You have heard from me and I am an EE - BSEE, 1974, Arizona State University. 

You are 100% right and I am asking for trouble. Can we get back to model railroading now?

 

George Booth
Director of Everything, The New Great Western Railway
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Trains/index.htm

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