the MRH Forum

Beautiful Diesel Engine Locos and rolling stock
Reply
Prolific poster 8,773 posts railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

...and this is coming from a steam fan

I really like the nose design of this diesel. It reminds he a lot of the DL109,..another diesel design I like very much.

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 4
Russ Bellinis Prolific poster 3,335 posts
Russ Bellinis

An E-1

I didn't realize that the B&O engine was still in existence.  Santa Fe had 11 sets I think when they first came out.  I think Santa Fe & B & O were the only railroads to buy those units.  Santa Fe's all went back to EMD to become E-8's.  When I bought the San Diegan book and saw those for the first time, I thought George Barris had customized an E 6 or 8.  It looked to me like the way George used to "french" the headlights on 1950 Mercs.
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

Plastic Model Versions?

I don't think their are any plastic models of these two versions,....B&O, and SF   ??

Isn't the E6 or DL109 about the closest thing in our model trains??

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 0
LensCapOn Regular poster 457 posts
LensCapOn

E-6 would be the closest.

E-6 would be the closest. With some work to give it a flush headlight on one it could be a decent foobie.

 

You do know that engine is closing in on being 100 years old now.
Reply 1
Rasselmag Frequent poster 535 posts
Rasselmag

Order Yours Today!

https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon3emce1.aspx

 

Lutz
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

another video

 

I think they took a few 'liberties' with nose job,....like the size of the B&O logo,...and the bright work around the headlight??

 

 

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

Broadway models

@Lutz

I just discovered that about half hour ago. Did they just come out, or earlier time? I thought i saw one listing on their outlet store at one time?

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
Rasselmag Frequent poster 535 posts
Rasselmag

@ Brian

My dealer here in Germany has listed the AT&SF and B&O variants with estimated delivery date January 2022.

But we here across the big pond normally get the stuff delivered several weeks later than in the states. And remember delay caused of Covid19, lack of containers, exacerbated exhaust laws for trucks in California, closed harbours etc. (big diskussion about this theme here in MRH forums) that will cause further delays.

 

Lutz
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

@ Lutz

I live not to far up the road (35 miles) from Broadway headquarters, ....so if there is something I can help you with, let me know.  I can give you a private email if you want?

I really like the looks of those locos, but they are a bit expensive for my needs right now.

 

 

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
eastwind Super User 3,594 posts
eastwind

NP?

On the B&O units, what does the "(NP)" mean? 

My first guess was non-powered, but that doesn't make sense given the pricing. 

You can call me EW. Here's my blog index
Reply 1
gmpullman Prolific poster 1,141 posts
gmpullman

Restoration of the EA

Quote:

I think they took a few 'liberties' with nose job,....like the size of the B&O logo,...and the bright work around the headlight??

I believe the folks that did the restoration held pretty close to the original. Or do you mean the B&O overdid the emblem and chrome?

umb_1937.jpg 

Hard to see in this hi-contrast photo but the chrome (stainless) wrapper is there on the nose. The bronze B&O Capitol Dome emblems adorned MANY pieces of their equipment, both passenger and freight.

The EMC model designation was EA and EB.

Quote:

On the B&O units, what does the "(NP)" mean?

I wonder if NP implies "Not Prototypical" as in these are E1 locomotives painted to look like the B&O EA engines? I don't exactly know what all the "spotting" features were between them. The side window arrangement is different for one thing.

EMC EA Locomotive

Here is engine #52. You can zoom in pretty close in this image:

B&O #52 leaving Washington

Regards, Ed 

Travel and Sleep In Pullman Safety and Comfort!
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

Thanks Ed (gmpullman)

Thanks for that clarification that the restorers stuck to the original script.

 

 

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail
I've also been partial to the DL109 locomotive design. Just the other day I saw this set of A & B units for sale

1.jpg2.jpg3.jpg4.jpg5.jpg

Of course these are the brass ones, but I have 2 of the A units in the Proto 1000 line

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 2
ctxmf74 Super User 15,939 posts
ctxmf74
Beautiful diesels? 

It's in the eye of the beholder I guess,  I'm partial to a sooty SP tunnel motor or SD45 lugging a heavy freight train uphill in run8    :>😉 ......DaveB

1990.jpg 
Read my blog
Reply 2
Andy Reichert Super User 1,164 posts
Andy Reichert
ctxmf74 wrote:
Beautiful diesels? 

It's in the eye of the beholder I guess,  I'm partial to a sooty SP tunnel motor or SD45 lugging a heavy freight train uphill in run8    :>😉 ......DaveB


Electric traction just needs traction motors on the wheels and some form of power pickup.  No big engine box to hide and so shape it any way you like.

No raucus racket, stink and toxic fumes/particles either.  So no expensive model sound decoder or wimpy smoke unit.

Just my personal 10 cents,  Andy   😍
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail
If its pulling my cross country passenger train, I don't want some sooty, gnarly  engine  up there.....ha..ha

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
MikeHughes Super User 5,493 posts
MikeHughes

That B&O Unit is gorgeous - thanks for sharing that Brian - have never seen one before.

Can you imagine walking out on the passenger platform for your train in the prime of the age of steam and seeing that gorgeous thing waitying for you? 

So Art Deco.  The window treatments alone are WOW.
[MRH%20Sig%202]Mike’s Index and Blog
Reply 1
eastwind Super User 3,594 posts
eastwind
Wikipedia says the E1 (made for ATSF) and the EA (made for B&O are mechanically largely identical. And I don't see any difference in window and grill placement. The number boards are different, the lower window has vertical bars on the ATSF unit, but mostly the same. Even the sort of fake bumper above the front skirt has 4 bars on both. 

[Golden_Gate_Santa_Fe_train]

You can call me EW. Here's my blog index
Reply 3
pauldouglaskessler Frequent poster 734 posts
pauldouglaskessler
[QUOTE username=Rasselmag userid=8816226 postid=1331408365]

Order Yours Today!

https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon3emce1.aspx


Those are beautiful models you've provided a link to. If I was a AT&SF or B&O modeler, I'd be all over those.
Reply 1
eastwind Super User 3,594 posts
eastwind
pauldouglaskessler wrote:

Order Yours Today!

https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon3emce1.aspx


Those are beautiful models you've provided a link to. If I was a AT&SF or B&O modeler, I'd be all over those.



The ones linked are paragon 3, and may be hard to find now. BLI has come out with a paragon 4 version for B&O, numbered 53-53X.

https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon4atsfe1ho.aspx 

Same MSRP. Also they have AT&SF and GM&O.

The difference, besides the paragon version, is that the 53-53X are "late appearance" while the 51-51X are "as delivered". 

Even though I'm a C&O modeller, I've got these on my wish list. 

You can call me EW. Here's my blog index
Reply 1
gmpullman Prolific poster 1,141 posts
gmpullman
Scenes of B&O 51 here:



I like the fact that the attendant rides the engine to make any necessary adjustments along the way! 1:40

Regards, Ed

Travel and Sleep In Pullman Safety and Comfort!
Reply 1
LensCapOn Regular poster 457 posts
LensCapOn
I wonder if the dialog for that film was written by a very young Dr Seuss, before he made his name elsewhere...
Reply 1
fmilhaupt Regular poster 191 posts
fmilhaupt
I've always found pre-WWII diesels fascinating, both passenger and freight, though neither of the roads I try to model accurately had any passenger diesels older than an E7.

Having said that, I found a BLI Santa Fe E6A/B set at a train show a few years ago for a great price ($100 for the set) and gave in. I probably spent more than twice that on five passenger cars for it to pull as an approximation of The Tulsan.

Back when I was more involved with the layout my club displays at train shows, I got a 2-for-1 deal on a pair of P1K Milwaukee Road DL109s in the later scheme that matched the Hiawatha cars that Walthers was just then releasing. I ended up justifying (to myself) spending $75 on off-usual-road motive power by buying a dozen Hiawatha cars for them to pull. It is a great train that looked fantastic on the layout, even if FP7s would have been more accurate power.
Fritz Milhaupt - DCC Wrangler and Webmaster, Operations Road Show
https://www.operationsroadshow.com
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail
Hey Fritz,.....one thing leads to another. Sounds like you have two nice looking sets. Why don't you post a photo or 2?

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail
I think I may have an extra set of Proto 2000 E-6 engines in the SF colors. Perhaps I should consider converting one of those sets over to that B&O livery,...yes if I have them !! 

I really like that slant nose of those early passenger diesels.

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector
Reply 1
Reply