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Bachmann 2-10-0 Decapod in UP livery Locos and rolling stock Steam Loco
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Prolific poster 8,773 posts railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail

I picked up this Bachmann loco at a local show in Deland Fla about 6 months ago. It was such a sweet looking engine I could resist, particularly as it had a vandy tender. A few weeks ago I put it on the tracks and it ran like a sweet heart too.

When I took a closer look at the box it came with I noticed it said 'undecorated'. So my question is did Bachmann sell this model like this, or did the previous owner just add that UP vandy tender?

Did any of the decapods utilize vandy tenders?

Did UP own any of these Russian decapods?

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I thought it rivaled brass in its details, and it ran better than many brass engines I've seen and heard of.

 

 

Brian

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CandOfan Prolific poster 1,527 posts
CandOfan

i don't think so

According to https://www.steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=2-10-0UP never had any Decapods of any flavor. As far as I know, Russian Decapods were all built with rectangular tenders, but of course who knows what happened with them during their lives. Tenders were often changed, sometimes more than once.

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toptrain Super User 206 posts
toptrain
Durring  US involment in WW1 The United States Railway Administration was formed and controled railway equipment building in that time period.  200 decapod types were made by Baldwin and the Americam Loco companies for the Czar of Russia. These locos were stranded here when the Czars goverment failed.  the USRA  leased thes to many different railroads. Some liked them and some diddn't.  The CRRof Nj was allocated 4 Alco decapods USA 1090-1093. From the Baldwin Lot numbers1171 to 1180. Latter 5 other decapods were allocated to the CRR of NJ nubbers 1116, 1136, 1139,  1160 and 1162.  So they recieved 19 brand new decapods set up to run on American track gague.  The CRR of Nj kept them stored in places like Jim Thrope doing nothing. refusing to use them for the whole war. This affected the CRR of NJ's ability to move goverment war time freight and passenger trains.   The Erie and the Seaboard air lines after the war had the largest fleets of these decapods. where as the PRR, and Southern kept none.{ R&LHS Bulletin #124}

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toptrain Super User 206 posts
toptrain
 These are my  kit bashed pair of Bachmann Russian decapods. 
frank



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Andy Reichert Super User 1,154 posts
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I'm someone who knows very little about US steam locos. Seeing the SP like tender on the OP's  model made me think of a couple of dumb questions.

What's the visible difference(s) between a tender for oil fired locos and coal fired locos.  Could an originally  coal fired loco be easily switched between oil fired and coal fired and vice versa?

Andy
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forfoum Frequent poster 888 posts
forfoum
Bachmann parts info does not indicate this tender to have been offered for the 2-10-0.   But the tender was available from Bachmann as per Walthers.

https://www.walthers.com/spectrum-r-medium-length-vanderbilt-tender-union-pacific-coal

But it would seem the tender was offered with the 2-8-0 Consol at one time

https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/H836-IS001.PDF

Marc
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CandOfan Prolific poster 1,527 posts
CandOfan
Andy Reichert wrote:
What's the visible difference(s) between a tender for oil fired locos and coal fired locos.  Could an originally  coal fired loco be easily switched between oil fired and coal fired and vice versa?
It isn't terrifically hard to convert a coal burner into an oil burner. Remove the grate on which the coal sits to burn, remove the stoker. Mount what amount to giant bunsen burners in their place, and then hook up the tender to provide liquid fuel oil instead of the stoker auger. You may also need to ensure that the tender heats the oil as it is usually pretty thick stuff that doesn't like to move freely if it's not warm enough. A fair proportion of the remaining steamers in the US are being converted to oil for various reasons these days.

Visually instead of an open coal bunker, the tender usually has a solid rectangular box with a hatch/valve on the top. Seen from the ground it may not at all be obvious that a tender is carrying oil or coal unless of course you're in the cab of the loco. A more subtle but still pretty apparent clue is to look under the firebox. If there's an ashpan, the loco is a coal- or wood-burner. No ashpan, almost certainly an oil burner.

Modeling the C&O in Virginia in 1943, 1927 and 1918
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bdhicks Active Member 99 posts
bdhicks
Considering that the tender is lettered but the locomotive is still unlettered I think it's pretty clear that a previous owner was just mixing and matching
-Brian
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eastwind Super User 3,591 posts
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How well do your HO scale model 2-10-0's do on curves and turnouts? are #6 turnouts sufficient? 

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CandOfan Prolific poster 1,527 posts
CandOfan
eastwind wrote:
How well do your HO scale model 2-10-0's do on curves and turnouts? are #6 turnouts sufficient? 
I don't have the Russian, but I do have 10-coupled steam, in particular a Bachmann USRA 2-10-2 and a BLI C&O 2-10-4. The Bachmann is easily able to deal with #6 and also an Atlas #4 (really a #4.5) in a wye. The BLI has bigger drivers and had trouble with the #4 until I realized that there was a very small kink on the diverging route. With that fixed, it also was able to negotiate the #4. I'd say that the BLI can deal with #4's only if they are pretty close to perfect, but #6's are fine.

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railandsail Prolific poster 8,773 posts
railandsail
toptrain wrote:
 These are my  kit bashed pair of Bachmann Russian decapods. 
frank



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....very nice job Toptrain. I had forgotten all about this subject thread. I think it looks even better with the rectangular tender, but then I was always partial to vandy tenders.

Bachmann did a nice job with this engine.

Brian

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Andy Reichert Super User 1,154 posts
Andy Reichert
CandOfan wrote:
It isn't terrifically hard to convert a coal burner into an oil burner. Remove the grate on which the coal sits to burn, remove the stoker. Mount what amount to giant bunsen burners in their place, and then hook up the tender to provide liquid fuel oil instead of the stoker auger. You may also need to ensure that the tender heats the oil as it is usually pretty thick stuff that doesn't like to move freely if it's not warm enough. A fair proportion of the remaining steamers in the US are being converted to oil for various reasons these days.

Visually instead of an open coal bunker, the tender usually has a solid rectangular box with a hatch/valve on the top. Seen from the ground it may not at all be obvious that a tender is carrying oil or coal unless of course you're in the cab of the loco. A more subtle but still pretty apparent clue is to look under the firebox. If there's an ashpan, the loco is a coal- or wood-burner. No ashpan, almost certainly an oil burner.


Many thanks for the very informative reply.

Andy
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toptrain Super User 206 posts
toptrain
Andy wrote:
I'm someone who knows very little about US steam locos. Seeing the SP like tender on the OP's  model made me think of a couple of dumb questions.

What's the visible difference(s) between a tender for oil fired locos and coal fired locos.  Could an originally  coal fired loco be easily switched between oil fired and coal fired and vice versa?

Andy
Why drift off of the subject to oil burning tenders when this Russian decapod was a coal burrner. 
frank

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toptrain Super User 206 posts
toptrain
forfoum wrote:
Bachmann parts info does not indicate this tender to have been offered for the 2-10-0.   But the tender was available from Bachmann as per Walthers.

https://www.walthers.com/spectrum-r-medium-length-vanderbilt-tender-union-pacific-coal

But it would seem the tender was offered with the 2-8-0 Consol at one time

https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/H836-IS001.PDF

Marc
The tender i reworked was the tender that came with the model from Bachmann. 1-At start,Two new Bachmann decapods.jpgHPIM0880.jpg
 
These two photos are the two loco as they came from Bachmann. The tenders were perfect for this back-dating kitbashing.  Just me skill wasn't. I did the best I could.
frank "It's a Heck of a day!"
 

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toptrain Super User 206 posts
toptrain
forfoum wrote:
Bachmann parts info does not indicate this tender to have been offered for the 2-10-0.   But the tender was available from Bachmann as per Walthers.

https://www.walthers.com/spectrum-r-medium-length-vanderbilt-tender-union-pacific-coal

But it would seem the tender was offered with the 2-8-0 Consol at one time

https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/H836-IS001.PDF

Marc
Well that is the tender that came with the as built bachmann ACL decapod.

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forfoum Frequent poster 888 posts
forfoum
Frank.
 
The thread  (Dec 2021)   asked  about the Vanderbilt tender and if it was offered with  the 2-10-0,  not what tender it came with. 
This particular Vanderbilt tender was a Bachmann offering,   but not with the 2-10-0. That  is what the research was about.
 
Not questioning   what you had posted. Mine was a reply directed at  Brian.
 
Marc
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