Since you are posting this...

you aren't blocked. 

Reboot time

Yeh, that's probably it

Yeh, that's probably it -- while you were trying to post, we locked your thread.

As for why the thread was locked, it's simple -- forum members didn't stick to critiquing ideas, they started slinging mud at other forum members and that's a no-no. Stick to critiquing ideas, critiquing forum members is a violation of our forum policy.

There was an implication that the video was yours

The implication from the line of text under the embedded video was that it was your video, not that the video belonged to someone else.  At least two people drew the conclusion Azbaja=Jimmy, and I guess that's not the case.

I'm still trying to figure

I'm still trying to figure out what a "professional model railroader" is...Never heard that term in my life.

Yes, not cool

Yes, that's not at all cool -- Az implied it was his own video with no indication to the contrary. He also tried to characterize the video as something elitist which it did not claim to be, in essence defaming the name of MRH extended staff.

Az is on thin ice with how he's been reposting Jimmy's videos. No more unclear video authorship and no more claims about the video that defames the author.

Assuming the best intentions, it's a model railroader who makes his living from the hobby. Assuming a more divisive motive, it's an attempt at elitism, meaning "a pro as compared to all you wanna-be amateurs". 

In Jimmy's case, neither is true. Jimmy's day job is as a professional video guy, and once you know Jimmy, you will quickly learn he is quite modest.

One of Jimmy's key tenants is "be kind" ... posting one of Jimmys videos and being unclear as to the video authorship and trying to sound "elitist" is hardly "being kind". Let's hope that was a boo-boo and not actually the intent.

Professional model railroader?

  Since model railroading is a hobby it's odd to call any model railroader a professional, just like calling someone a professional sunset viewer.  There might be professional layout builders or professional engine painters or professional magazine publishers but they are not being paid to be a hobbyist , they are being paid to be a worker or supplier.  ...DaveB

I like DIY and Digital

I like DIY and Digital Railroad the fact it is N scale too. 

No place did I say I'm Jimmy. when Jimmy from the start of the video tells you who he is.

I posted the video provided the link and the tittles he used.  Added the How To for the google algorithm for search.  How to install or do etc. etc.  That is what you want?  "How To" so google picks up on the topic and brings people to MRH who are searching for 'How To what ever' and then with professional (Jimmy is a professional) It entices people to click that google link to bring them to MRH...  Yes I know all about SEO, Carrots,  etc. to get people to click a google link.

Jimmys videos do not get shared like others so when I see them I share them and again it is N scale.

And Jimmy is a professional he has 102 people that pay for content from his channel channel including the YouTube add income.  You are paying him to produce works for Trainmasters TV too?  He sells he 3D printed buildings on his etsy store etc.   He has his own small business going.  If several people see his video here sign up for his channel send him some money or buy one of his building he will still make more videos add some extra money to his pocket.  Sounds like a win.

Producing content and work then making money from that content makes you a professional, is that a bad thing.  You are a professional magazine owner, publisher, editor correct?  you get, give and receive 1099 for tax purposes?  That makes you professional.  

Looked back we should be he and what I do kind of got lumped into a run on sentence in two locations.  It could be fixed with a quick edit, but you locked it so I can not change the we to he.

elitism is not professional and be professional is not being elite.  2 different things.

This is a direct cut and

This is a direct cut and paste from his video,  

I copied it direct form his video note the YELLOW .  This is what he said and how this video is presented.  I did not change anything just cut and paste.  Those are Jimmys words not mine.

By cutting/pasting under your name, there is an impression

That it was your video, not that you were quoting someone else.  No indication at all, and counter to normal usage.

 

Attribution

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What a hole?  I'm trying to

What a hole?  I'm trying to help a guy out and share his videos, you think that it is me trying to promote my self and trash on the video. When I say stop being critical etc. you guys dig in more on me for making the video and keep trashing the video and me,  now you realize that I was just helping a guy out you keep trashing me.

I'm not Jimmy never said I was but you are still out to trash me. 

You want me gone Joe? 

You want me gone Joe?   delete all my posts and the trash my account.  Trying to help someone out and I get treated like trash.

100% correct I have no reason to be here any more all the people that I use to chat with have been chased off a years ago.   I was just posting out of habit.  So you are correct I do not belong here every one else has left and I was the last of them so delete my account and finish me off.

@AzBaja

To use a famous quote (sorry I forget who said it first, not me I know):

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

AzBaja, you made a slight "faux pas" that is all. 

I think the best thing to do is say something like, "Sorry guys, you misread my intent, maybe I did not emphasis it was Jimmy's video and not mine, in future I will give credit to others if I post their work".

Everyone makes mistakes, adults recognize their mistakes, they apologize and they move on.

Like Jimmy would say. Be kind and have fun with trains. 

One note: Professional model railroader vs Amateur Model railroader. Think of it like sports. Amateurs do it for fun. Pros while they may also do it for fun, make a living at it. 

Amateurs are people like you and me AzBaja.

Pros are people like Joe and Ken Patterson, or model railroaders who run a hobby store or own a business making model rail products. 

You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think

“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Meansl”  - Inigo  Montoya

I have a friend that is a “professional”   In that he builds railroads for other people for pay.  If you get paid you are a professional.  That dies not mean you are good at it just that someone will pay you to do it.  

I get paid to draw buildings,  that makes me a professional.  Someone that doesn't get paid is am amateur.  The problem comes from the miss use of the terms.  In that we often see the terms used to mean Good or bad, or skilled for unskilled, or practiced vs un practiced.  

But skill level truly has nothing yo do with Amateur vs Priofesional.  I can show you a lot of “Pros” in my field that frankly SUCK.  They don't know how yo drawing in cad correctly or they cant design worth a darn or whatever,  I got a set of drawings from a pro once that didnt even have the section cut marks in the correct location.  So pro does not mean good.  It just means “gets paid”

-Doug M

Professional

I think its more than just being paid.  A Profession is (according to Oxford Languages) "a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification." 

A model railroad professional is someone who's paid OCCUPATION is model railroading.

I have made models and then changed eras, so I sold them.  Even though somebody paid me money for the models  I built, that doesn't make me a professional model railroader.  I have helped people design model railroads and a couple have given me some money as a thank you.  That doesn't make me a professional model railroader.  Once I helped a company build a display layout and they paid me something for doing that, but that doesn't make me a professional model railroader.

Now if I did model building and layout design and construction as an occupation, a major part of my income, then I would be a professional.  Just like winning $50 at a local golf tournament doesn't make you a professional golfer.

Since there is no "formal qualification" in model railroading (other than maybe the NMRA Master Model Railroader program), by the Oxford definition, there wouldn't necessarily be a "professional model railroader".

I have not said you should leave

AzBaja, I knew it wasn't you

AzBaja, I knew it wasn't you and that you weren't trying to claim attribution, but based on your previous snarky posts and on occasion trollish posting, I fully admit that I wasn't sure whether you were posting the video to highlight his work or for snark. I stopped reading the thread, because I didn't need to read people critiquing a model railroader who they perceive as uppity. Not something I want to have a part in. So I missed how bad it got.

This is only a suggestion, but since you have a tendency towards snark, it would behoove you to go out of your way to be clear in these cases. it is beyond difficult to derive context from posts on the internet unless the writer is very clear about intention or uses things like Emojis. 

And to be clear, I speak from experience. I'm a Smarta@@ online and it's easy to get yourself in trouble if you don't make it clear beyond doubt your intention.

Professional is a loaded word

I agree. Calling one modeler a professional modeler to a bunch of hobbyists is a loaded term and sounds elitist. Ken Patterson and I would never call ourselves “a professional modeler” even though the hobby provides much of our living.

I prefer to think of myself as a model railroader just like you guys who happens to write and make videos about the hobby. Other than that, I’m just like you. I know some things well and others not so well.

In the online world, if it’s possible to assume the worst, people will do just that. That’s why using loaded terms without an explanation of exactly what you mean can result in taking some heat. Welcome to the internet.

I work in a Federal Prison....

...with a whole lot of professional drug dealers 

There are people who do make

There are people who do make their money from model building in the general sense. The practical effects people at industrial light and magic being one example.

So you can be a professional model builder. 

model railroading is a hobby though, so I don't think you can be a professional model railroader. You'd just be a professional model builder. 

Professional or Amateur

I use to shoot weddings, still and video for friends and relatives'.. The friends would pay me.  So was I a pro, or an amateur?

As far as Professional model railroaders,  There are plenty.  When one retires from their profession, and spend 90 percent of their time working on their layouts.  The other 10 percent on forums like this one'.. That makes you a professional Model Railroader;... Let's maintain our sense of humor....Gents'........

Doing something for a friend

Doing something for a friend and getting paid is a grey spot.  If I design a building for a friend of a family member I am still a professional…. 

But to say you can’t be a pro because it is usually a hobby is rediculus.  In That case, Pretty much all sports players are just paid armatures as more people play baseball for a hobby / fun then get paid for it. Also there is no formal criteria in that if you are good enough you could get hired by a team.

If you get paid money by people to build a model for them and you are doing it for the sole reason to get said more then you are to one degree or another a professional,  In the case of my buddy he gets paid to build layouts for people he has built at least 5 or 6 i know of some in a short time some very large taking years (a couple days a week)   The people are almost always (with one exception) someone that is not his friend. In two cases the layout was in a different state.

As for Joe,  he probably isn’t a professional model railroader, nor is the hobby shop owner.  But a guy that makes money installing decoaders or painting engines would be assuming he does this as a buisness type thing,  Where someone says.  I want you to paint my e gibe this way…. Vs you selling a model you no longer need.

I have sold furniture and other wood working projects that I was commissioned to build.  To people that looked me up for the sole reason of getting me to make them something that is being a professional.  My father has been commissioned to build model buildings for people that he otherwise didn’t know.  That is being a professional.

I know a lady that will make cookies or cakes or other pastries on an order by order Basis, that is her profession vs my neighbors who back cookies for the school back sale of when my neighbor build a stand for some musicale increments in his daughters class.

So it all depends on what you do and how you do it.  That determines a mature vs professional.  Joe may not be a professional model railroader but he is a professional magazine editor..  Tony Koester is mit truly a professional model railroader he is a professional writer/editor who has worked for decades in the model railroading field.  
The guys and gals at ILM back in the day were (at least a lot of them) professional model builders.  And the team that build the ILM models of the Star Wars ships were professional model builders despite the thousands and thousands of people that would build model kits of those same star ships.

The problem is somewhere along the line we have started to look at the pro/amateur terms as indicating a level of relative skill or talent.  Which is not what the term means.  You could absolutely suck at something but still be a professional at it.  I am working on a project we’re the company that installed the window curtains were “professionals” but did it so badly that another company had to reinstall the rods as they were falling off the wall.  Both companies were professionals but the one sucked…

-Doug M