Meadmaker

I am looking for some electronic version (.pdf e-book etc.) of Track Planning for Realistic Operations.  No go on Amazon. Books-a-Million, Kalmbach etc.  A web search turned up an "e-book company" but this was a scam.  If you enter a title it says it's available and sends you to a website that requires a CC# to "look" then says there is no such book then sends you to another site (again asking for a CC# to look) this is where that nonsense stopped.

If anyone knows where I can purchase an electronic copy (3rd edition) of this book, I would really appreciate the heads up.  Thanks in advance.

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Jackh

Nope

Copy right is owned by Kalmbach and to the best of my knowledge they haven't released any of their books other then as a print copy.

Jack

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caniac

Hmmm

Now there's a likely candidate for an e-book. Not really a fast seller, so electronic storage in PDF makes sense compared to firing up a press run.
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sunacres

You can make one yourself

I notice that all three editions of the book are available on Amazon, used for $7 or $8 or new for $22. If you have access to a scanner you can make your own .pdf. 

Jeff Allen

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Michael Tondee

I have often thought that

I have often thought that Kalmbach should make their entire library, including out of print material, available on E-books. It would be a great resource for the hobby. I guess the questions for them would be if they could make any sizable money for the amount of work involved in scanning all that in.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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sunacres

I'm sure Joe could give them some advice

Kalmbach certainly has some experience with this so one must assume they do some pretty careful calculations as to how best to make money. 

I subscribe to their online library of back issues and have purchased occasional DVDs of special issues. I imagine they had to invest to get all those back issues scanned, now nearly 20 years ago I think, and I'm hoping they'll do it again now that scanner resolutions and transmission bandwidths have improved (those older scans make it hard to make out some of the finer details on some of the diagrams and drawings). 

For whatever reason, they seem to find it advantageous to keep some offerings in print only form. I doubt that the issue is the cost of scanning - I've had textbooks scanned very cheaply, the only significant cost is sacrificing a bound copy. 

Jeff Allen

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joef

Print media companies and digital

Print media companies like the big K keep dabbling with digital but they do it in a half-hearted way. They tend not to discount the digital edition in order to not undercut their print edition sales, reasoning that the editorial production costs are the bulk of the cost so why make the digital edition cheaper? Economics 101 says if you offer what should be a less costly product (no printing, storage, or shipping costs, and people are conditioned to ebooks costing less) for the same price as a more costly product, then the less costly product feels way overpriced. People really dislike price gouging, so only the most desperate will buy something overpriced. Lo and behold, digital sales suck when you take that approach. The result is confirmation bias — few want the digital ebook. How convenient! With that strategy, print media companies “prove” to themselves digital doesn’t sell, so they stick with print and just keep dabbling with digital in a half hearted way. Or they sell you paper products and make you pay extra to get access to an online digital archive. You can’t buy just digital. Sound familiar?

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Michael Tondee

Paying the price

I would pay a premium price to be able to get some of the old out of print Kalmbach stuff in an E-book. It's probably one area where they could get away with charging more because it has value to a lot of people. I mean print copies of "Model Railroading with John Allen" still draw big sums of money on auction sites. Another one would be the "Virginian Railway by H. Reid"...as we speak (errrr type) there's a copy on E-bay priced at almost  95 bucks.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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Jim at BSME

re: Paying the price

Just because someone is listing it for that price does not mean they will get it. There are two listings for the 1st edition for $135, but sold copies of the 2nd edition are in in the $15 - $35 range including shipping.

- Jim B.
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Michael Tondee

I just plucked the quickest

I just plucked the quickest example of an out of print book I could find. I have seen the John Allen book sell for hefty prices before. My point is that I would be willing to pay a decent sum for downloadable E- books of Kalmbach classics. Say 19.95 a pop? Certain ones that are hard to find, I wouldn't think twice about paying that amount for.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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mmount

Trains.com

Kalmbach has mentioned posting their old books as PDFs but they only did it for a few and at the moment it’s not there.

You want an Ebook for sure because I have two copies of it I can sell the second one.

Mike

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Arizona Gary

Cost and availability

Joe hit the nail on the head as to the thinking from Kalmbach, IMO.

Look at the offer for MR on the Kalmbach website.  BTW, they don't even show the print only price. $44.95 for the digital version or $49.95 for the print plus digital subscription. Not much of a delta to get a hardcopy, too. $5.00.  Hmmm.  It makes the Trains.com membership look good from that perspective.  Let us not forget that they send out "special offers" multiple times a year at $29.95 for the print version.

As for digitized books, they have more than I knew they had.  Look at  https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/catalog/digital-downloads. 4 books on operations, just not the one Meadmaker was interested in. Isn't it always that way?

I don't know about anyone else, but I like having copies that don't take up space. My model railroad magazine collection takes up 5 shelves on a 4 foot wide bookshelf; and it isn't available to me when I travel.  Then again, if you're remote, sometimes you can't get other apps, like Microsoft Office if you didn't opt to pay for a "hard" copy.

I don't think digitizing magazines, or books, should be all that expensive or difficult. I'm sure publishers hire low level employees to do such work.  Like most products, they've probably already broken way beyond even a long time ago. They know to research the market for a book before they commit to publishing it.

 

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Meadmaker

Yes Please.\ I would like an E-copy.

Mike,

That would be great,

How do I go about making this happen?

Thanks again,

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mmount

I have two copies of the physical book.

To clarify I have two copies of the physical book one I would be willing to sell.  Somehow I misplaced my first one which magically reappeared as soon as I purchased the second one.

I don’t think an Ebook version exists.

Mike

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akmac1234
3rd edition is available as an ebook at BarnesandNoble.com. $21.95
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ctxmf74
   Ebook or paper? 

   I'd recommend a paper copy , they are common and can be had on ebay for a few bucks . This is such a useful book that I prefer having my paper copy close at hand in the train room without opening up an electric device and file....DaveB
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Michael Tondee
Interesting the amount of stuff that is available as "Nook Books".  More than I would have thought...

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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DPEvers
Direct link to the B&N Nook Book:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/track-planning-for-realistic-operation-john-h-armstrong/1000180124?ean=9780890242278

The current list of Kalmbach digital titles is here:

https://www.kalmbach.com/digital-books-hobby/?utm_source=Yesmail&utm_medium=email&utm_email=eversdp64@yahoo.com&utm_campaign=SA000_HBS_210307_P38975_DigitalBoooks_TRN-CTR

The most recent titles are not always available at the same time as the print copies.  They seem to update the digital titles about twice each year.

David
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Meadmaker
akmac1234 wrote:
3rd edition is available as an ebook at BarnesandNoble.com. $21.95


AKMAC: I did purchase the B&N ebook.  It was an odd e-book, it ended up being a .pdf of a .jpg rather than an actual hi-res .pdf or an actual e-book.
This became evident when I tried to magnify the page size to one page view and then a page width view.
The text and diagrams become more pixelated with each increase in magnification view from the original two-page format when opened.
I will connect a larger monitor so I can read it in its original view.
I do appreciate the effort to find it.
I just wish B&N did not consider such a product as a retail priced E-book.
Glad MRH would never put out such a product.
Next trip, I will remember to pack my hard copy.
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