railandsail

I thought perhaps some of these informative postings would be of interest to steam vs diesel power enthusiast.

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A small-scale steam plant will never equal the efficiency of a Diesel … the thermodynamics prevent it. This was well known before “Jawn” was ever thought of. Really large steam plants (generating stations & ships) can actually beat the Diesel, but they have advantages a vehicle-sized unit just cannot have. Very high temperatures and pressures are needed. One thing lacking in locomotive steam plants is effective condensing of the used steam. This increases efficiency by reducing the pressure (actually a vaccum) at the exhaust. It also greatly decreases water-treatment needs. Unfortunately this requires either water-cooling or massive air-coolers (cooling towers) for the condensers. Neither is practical in a locomotive sized plant, especially one subject to twisting and high vibration.
Only a few steam locos ever tried condensing (UP’s GE #1 & #2 turbines, and a class of S.A. 4-8-4s), and it never worked well. Only about 30% or so of the steam could be recycled. From an efficiency standpoint this wasn’t worth the greatly added complexity and maintenance. It did work in South Africa for a totally different reason … they had to cross a great desert where water was very scarce, and even a slight increase in range was important.
Dan Mitchell

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The increase in range was quite important on a series of German 2-10-0 with condensing tenders (on which the SAR engines were based), class BR52Kon(d), built during WW2. ........



 

Brian

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CandOfan

yeah, condensers

Given that there were in fact a fairly decent number of steam locos equipped with condensers, I'd say that they are perhaps problematic to design properly, but not impractical. There were no successful condensers in the US, but as noted there were in France, Germany, South Africa and elsewhere. My impression is that there were some in Australia too.

Modeling the C&O in Virginia in 1943, 1927 and 1918

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