MEC Fan

Seems after the last round of changes at Ebay there might be an exodus of many sellers.

 

With that being said I know our hobby is as much of finding those old deals on items released in years past vs new pre-order stuff.

 

I was looking around for an alternative, eBid came up and it looks similar to the earlier days of Ebay.

 

Granted I have been on Ebay for almost two decades so anything else looks and feels very different/wrong to me.

 

So anybody here using that platform to support the hobby? If so what has your experience been?

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Neal M

I looked...

I looked at some reviews that I found online. 17% show Poor or Bad. The rest are average to Excellent. IMHO, I would be a little leery in selling (or buying) as most of the comments that I read are seller comments. In order for me to find model trains I had to type in those particular words. 

When I got to the model trains landing page, there were 74 items, mostly British and European. Some HO models listed. Nothing that would appeal to me. In the model railroad search, I found 140 listings. Lots of US magazines, a little more on the US side...

Also of interest, many large sites, for the most part use .com. They use .net which tells me at the time someone was using the name or owned it. 

I'll keep taking a look at it from time to time to see if it gains any momentum in the model train category..

Neal

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MEC Fan

eBid

Thanks Neal.

 

It feels to be European. I suppose we are a little spoiled after decades of Ebay and its more North American base. 

 

I just wonder if there is going to be a shift once Ebay has finally dumped PayPal in about a month from now. 

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joef

Check the front of MRH ... full spread ad

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Joe Fugate​
Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

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gp15

I purchased a nib Bachman

I purchased a nib Bachman On30 trolley off of eBid a few months ago.  The pricing was less than I found on eBay.  I paid using PayPal and got the item in 4 days.  

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MEC Fan

Thanks GP

Thanks GP15

Fees also seem to be less then Ebay.

 

Modeltrainitems.com    looks like it has a long way to go before being a serious contender with the online shopping market. Only 13 items listed and that 8% fee...

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Juxen

Out of the Loop

...what's been going on at Ebay? I know that they've had crazy-high prices for years, but that's as far as I know (as a buyer only).

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dwc13

Unless a person has sold

Unless a person has sold items on ebay within the past few years, it can be difficult to understand that the seller's cost structure extends far beyond the cost of the item being offered for sale. The reality is the burden on ebay sellers has significantly worsened over time.   

Effective 4/21/21, the occasional seller who is not subject to an insertion and/or storefront fee will pay ebay $0.30 per order plus a 12.55% final value fee on the total amount of sale, which includes the item price, shipping charge, handling charge, applicable taxes, and any other applicable fees. The occasional seller typically has higher per unit shipping costs and (perhaps) higher per unit packaging costs than high volume sellers, with any disparity further aggravated by the 12.55% cut ebay gets on those items.   

So a 14.35% markup (*not* margin) on all items subject to the final value fee is required just to cover the 12.55% charge ebay is assessing. Don't forget to include the $0.30 per order fee in costs that are marked up, because the seller can't line item it separately to the buyer. BTW, if a refund / credit is issued to the buyer, the $0.30 per order fee is not refunded or credited to the seller by ebay.  

What ebay seller wants to sell items at $0 profit / 0% margin? 

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Benny

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...what's been going on at Ebay? I know that they've had crazy-high prices for years, but that's as far as I know (as a buyer only).

It started last year with Forced Managed Payments.  Instead of getting my money instantly via Paypal from the buyer, and then being able to move it to my bank account instantly for 1% or less, I now have to wait for Ebay to decide when to send it to me, which may be 3 days or 5 days or who knows when.

And then, Ebay can decide when to take money from that back account, at any time Ebay thinks it should.

These new charges as of April 21 basically rolls back Ebay's advertisement that managed payments means lower final costs for sellers.

Quote:

What ebay seller wants to sell items at $0 profit / 0% margin? 

It's what the buyers want...and Ebay wants to be as cozy with the buyers as it can get...

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MEC Fan

PayPal

Another issue/change is that Ebay is no longer accepting PayPal after the end of next month. 

 

For a casual seller that is significant, linking a bank account to Ebay will be the only way for a seller to get paid. 

For buyers its not as big of a deal, just use a CC to make payments. 

 

So its really pushing out the origins of the site, the casual seller trying to thin out collections etc. 

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Juxen

Apparently this is what I get for not reading the TOS regularly

Thanks for the info, guys. With all of the new Terms of Service stuff that comes out from the various websites recently, this info seems to have slipped by me. Thanks for filling me in.

Also, these changes are pants-on-head-insane. Why would any small seller use eBay after this? And it's not much better on the side of the buyer; I'm really not keen on eBay knowing my credit cards. Paypal's worked fine for years; does cutting out the middle man really seem worth it if you lose a bunch of market share?

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Janet N

Guess I'm done with Ebay

With the news of those changes, I have no need of Ebay.  For giggles, I checked the prices on some of the types of things I used to buy off Ebay - old board games that normally would go for about $50 seem to be running at 2 to 3 times that, and some of the model railroading items... 

Well, maybe it's just some sort of a nitrous oxide buildup inside their houses, but the prices on a few things were insane.  Pants-on-fire, run around shouting, plain old crazy.  Somebody was selling a Fast Tracks #6 turnout jig with point and stock tools, a file, a bundle of rail, a few Quicksticks, a bag of ties, some pc ties and about 14 turnouts for $450 - and claiming he had over $575 in parts alone, so it was a great price.

Another used Fast Tracks jig was going at a Buy Me Now price higher than brand new on the Handlaid website.

I used PayPal to pay for my purchases on Ebay, and had no problems with one exception over the last 8 years, and now I have no real need for PayPal either, I guess.  No, Ebay is certainly not getting any credit card info from me.  Maybe a couple burner cards would be worth using, but not at the prices that the sellers seem to be wanting.

I'll be watching other auction sites, but it looks like direct sales and face-to-face at shows are going to be the way to go for most items here on out.

Janet N.

 

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dwc13

Just to clarify, ebay's

Just to clarify, ebay's in-house Managed Payments program is being (and has been) forced upon sellers in groups (waves). That's in part because of the business ramp down provisions between the 2 companies following their 2015 split, which are set to expire later this year. It won't matter how the buyer pays (using an ebay accepted payment method); proceeds will eventually end up in the seller's linked checking account assuming the transaction goes through without issue. In other words, proceeds from the sale will no longer be routed to the seller's linked PayPal account. BTW, after the split ebay wasn't allowed to go from 90+% transactions using PayPal to 0% overnight. Similarly PayPal has been precluded from offering MFN terms to ebay competitors and other entities during the ramp down period. 

If you're buying things on ebay, PayPal should remain a viable payment option until (I believe) July 2023. After that, who knows -- it will likely depend upon whether the 2 companies can negotiate a new agreement (or extension of the current one). However, PayPal will no longer be the only (or even preferred) payment method going forward. Apple Pay and Google Pay will be acceptable forms of payment. You might have to log into PayPal separately to complete the payment transaction for an ebay purchase. 

 

  

 

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jimfitch

Just for grins I good a quick

Just for grins I good a quick look at ebid.  There were no Exactrail models, and most Athearn models were nothing special and prices were high.  It looks like eBay is still the big gorilla for now.

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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Neal M

I was selling on EBAY some...

I was selling on EBAY some things, and due to their changes, I have taken everything down plus taken off my banking information for selling... buying I will still use my AMEX as AMEX protects you against possible frauds. 

Neal

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dwc13

Sun, 2021-04-18 14:33

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Sun, 2021-04-18 14:33 —  Benny

What ebay seller wants to sell items at $0 profit / 0% margin? 

It's what the buyers want...and Ebay wants to be as cozy with the buyers as it can get...

Lol, don't get me started on what (too) many buyers want in terms of pricing. I've had countless discussions with others over the years about that very subject. Not just what happens on ebay. It's amazing how unrealistic -- and sometimes unreasonable -- many buyers are with regard to pricing and especially the underlying costs for an item. Well, until they're on the other end and are the seller. Then the run-of-the-mill item they're offering for sale is somehow more valuable than antimatter and in their minds justifiably priced accordingly. Go figure, right? 

Ebay needs lots of buyers to help generate the vast majority of its revenue it earns on the backs of sellers. So it tries to make things convenient and friendly to buyers. Sellers, in comparison, are relatively easy to come by if they're not dinged with upfront fees (regardless of whether there is a sale). For revenue growth, it's a matter of ebay squeezing out more per transaction even if it results in slightly fewer total transactions. For cost savings, it's about taking payment processing in-house and exchanging the 2.9% payment to PayPal for a less costly solution. 

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Benny

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Paypal allowed buyers and sellers to converse with each other outside of the Ebay channel.

Ebay doesn't like that.

They want all sales conducted solely through their platform.

Paypal essentially did not fit their business model.

Adyen does - Adyen is the same entity that took over Etsy.

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jimfitch

I'd like to consider ebid but

I'd like to consider ebid but so far, at least as trains are considered, there is little reason for buyers to browse unless they are mostly interested in mostly lower end trains.

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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MEC Fan

eBid

I might have to be the one that gets eBid moving lol. 

Jim is right, not much on there yet. 

 

Usually once or twice a year I go through my entire collection and thin things out. Normally about 99% brand new never opened stuff that I know Ill take a hit on. 

Simply for a hobby I do not want a direct link to a bank account nor my SS# being on yet another site. Its bad enough through work I have to use my SS# as a long-in for safety training on a 3rd party website....

 

So maybe once May 21 passes we might see an uptick on items on eBid as I am sure there has to be some other smaller sellers like me thinking this way. 

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dwc13

I understand why ebay is

I understand why ebay is requiring a SSN. Now that ebay is taking the payment process in-house, it -- not PayPal -- will be responsible for issuing 1099s. A valid SSN linked to the seller's individual account is required in the event a 1099 needs to be issued (triggered by $2K gross revenue or 200 transactions per year -- something like that). Ebay isn't going to wait until a seller hits either of those triggers during a calendar year before asking for a SSN. What if the seller refused to provide it? Ebay would be non-compliant for failing to properly issue a 1099. If it's a ebay business account, an appropriate SSN is needed to help verify the EIN can be used. PayPal already had the SSN and bank account information, so it was a seamless transaction to the end user (for purposes of issuing 1099s) when the 2 companies were under the same ownership. 

Some of the more active online sellers specializing in model railroad items advertise in trade publications. They're looking to purchase items from estate sales and collectors so they have inventory to sell. They also buy multi-lot items (e.g., 4 freight cars) offered on auction sites such as ebay. I've sold a few multi-item lots to a few of these sellers over the years. In the future, I might contact some of them directly if I have items I'm looking to sell.   

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railandsail

New Sales Site, the XCHANGE

...a recent email I received....

Quote:

Dear Friends of the Great Scale Model Train Show,

I write to you all with news of a recent innovation to our web presence which I hope you will like, and to ask for your help.

THE XCHANGE: At the behest of many of you, and show vendors and exhibitors, we have created a free web site called “The Great Scale Model Train Show Xchange Classifieds.

 

BUY, SELL, POST SHOW DATES, NEWS, AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, GET HELP, AND MORE: Styled after a newspaper’s “Classified Ads” section, the Xchange is much more.  Buy, sell, and trade the same kinds of items you see at our shows. But there is more: Sections for announcing events and meets, and pages for advice, instruction, and news. Think of it as a “perpetual” train show.

 

SOPHISTICATED BUT SIMPLE: The Xchange is simple to use, yet more organized than the various alternatives such as Yahoo Groups. Like the newspaper’s classifieds, categories logically organize material so you can easily browse to find what you want to buy or list what you want to sell. If you want to find something quickly, an advanced Search feature does the job.

WHAT? NO PAYMENTS? In the interest of simplicity and ease of administration, the site allows buyers and sellers to arrange payments on their own. Parties communicate with one another through a private messaging system within the site or by phone or email as best suits them. This most closely reflects the way people do business at the train show. Not face-to-face, but as close as we can make it, “virtually.”

 

WHY WE ARE DOING THIS, AND WHY NOW: First of all, I am not aware of any similar alternative with the same functionality and scope as the Xchange. Some things come close: There are numerous “swap groups” on Yahoo or elsewhere. And there is RailServe, which most people use to list and find show dates. And there is Joe Fugate’s marvelous Model Railroad Hobbyist web site with its excellent instructional material. But there is nothing I know of that embraces a free marketplace, a listing of events, news, and “how to” functionality in one place, for free.

Covid has had much to do with our initiative. “Virtual” shows were a creative approach to replacing physical shows, and our hat goes off to those who presented them. But virtual shows have their obvious limits and, of course, they disappear. We want to capture some of the train show experience and functionality without ever “closing the doors.” And we also believe that Covid will have a lasting impact in terms of how we do business (and how everyone does business) far into the future. We believe the Xchange anticipates the way many will want to interact with one another in the coming months and years.

WHY WE THINK OUR NEW SITE WILL BE POPULAR: We have a HUGE advantage: YOU. All of you, an actual community of thousands of rail enthusiasts who have a long history with us. And many of you are connected, in one way or another, with others who share your interest. This is vastly different from just creating a web presence and waiting for “something to happen.”

WE WANT YOUR HELP! At this moment, the Xchange is brand new and we are still learning how to use the enabling software. Consequently, we are soliciting volunteers to actually use the web site, report their experience to us, and make recommendations. In this way, we hope to reflect the real-world preferences of the people who will use the Xchange.

REQUIREMENTS: Minimal. There is no particular time requirement on your part, you can explore and experiment as much or as little as you please. We are mainly interested in your reaction to “look and feel” and ease of use. Until we formally announce and launch the site, practically all the users will be volunteer testers like you. Thus it should be understood that much of the material listed (including anything you post) during the testing phase can be,  “just pretend.”

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER, please let me know by response to this email, or your call to me at 410-551-6131, and tell me the following:

Your full name:

Your email:

Your Zip:

Your age:

Your gender:

Your occupation:

Using the above information, we will select a group of volunteers which is a good cross-section of all our attendees and exhibitors. Selected volunteers will receive further instruction on how to get started.

As a “thank you” for your participation, we will give you a free pass to any of our future shows.

I look forward to hearing from you.

John “Scott” Geare

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Janet N

You shouldn't be shilling a site that should be buying ads here

Brian,

A simple mention would have been fine, but in essence you've posted a free ad for this outfit.  If they want access to the MRH readership, whether in these forums or in the magazine, they should pay the ad rate.

I will admit, I haven't checked the last couple issues to see if they have indeed purchased ad space, but just because you receive an emal from somebody does not mean reposting the entire (or nearly the entire) email here is appropriate.

I will reserve my personal judgement on the content beyond saying it is asking for way too much personal information for what appears to be a marketing scheme on their part.

Janet N.

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MEC Fan

Derailments

Its amazing how "derailments" happen in threads more then on the 1:1 scale.

 

 

So, any eBid users lol?

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Janet N

This is a negative response, but not that kind of negative

I have browsed the eBid site after googling them to find the link, and like Jim, I found it to be kind of thinly populated right now.  No purchases, so I have to say no, I haven't had any sort of buyer's experience with them. 

Like some of the other sales sites, it will bear watching in the future.  I've got no burning needs for anything specific right now, but there are a few minor things I will probably need in the next 12 months (barring some sort of mass escape of magic smoke from electronics or motors).

I am getting kind of itchy to attend a train show this summer or fall after not being able to for the last 18 months.  I think the last one I was able to get to was the one in Edison NJ around Thanksgiving 2019.

Janet N.

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railandsail

Sorry, I didn't really see a

Sorry, I didn't really see a conflict with my posting. They are offering a totally free site, and they did give MRH a thumbs up,.....

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THE XCHANGE: At the behest of many of you, and show vendors and exhibitors, we have created a free web site called “The Great Scale Model Train Show Xchange Classifieds.

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WHAT? NO PAYMENTS? In the interest of simplicity and ease of administration, the site allows buyers and sellers to arrange payments on their own. Parties communicate with one another through a private messaging system within the site or by phone or email as best suits them. This most closely reflects the way people do business at the train show. Not face-to-face, but as close as we can make it, “virtually.” 

Quote:

WHY WE ARE DOING THIS, AND WHY NOW: First of all, I am not aware of any similar alternative with the same functionality and scope as the Xchange. Some things come close: There are numerous “swap groups” on Yahoo or elsewhere. And there is RailServe, which most people use to list and find show dates. And there is Joe Fugate’s marvelous Model Railroad Hobbyist web site with its excellent instructional material. But there is nothing I know of that embraces a free marketplace, a listing of events, news, and “how to” functionality in one place, for free.

I hope they choose some good software to run the site !

They are looking for help in developing the site,....and they are NOT looking for SSN's

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