Leverettrailfan

Yesterday, I briefly paid visit to an antique store I hadn’t dropped by in quite some time. The prices there can be anywhere from brilliant to horrendous. Generally, if you want to get something for a reasonable price, look for stuff without a price tag on it. Anyhow, while exploring, I came across a little pile of HO trains sitting on a shelf- and since there wasn’t much I’d seen so far, I figured I’d just as well look at them. I saw the top of a Silver F3, and was curious if it was a dummy or not- as I began to pick it up, I discovered it was to date, one of the weirdest pieces of HO scale motive power I’ve seen. The shell was that of an F3, but the chassis was a strange plastic and sheet metal, ridged single truck, with two widely spaced axles for a rubber band drive. 

Being a lover of the strange, I had a closer look at the other trains sitting with it- most were normal HO scale equipment, but I managed to find a total of 3 cars- all fitted with sheet metal, two axle frames, and as I noticed, peculiar pale yellow hook couplers instead of the ordinary black. 
I couldn’t find a caboose, unfortunately, but I decided that so long as the lady at the counter wasn’t going to slap some ridiculous price on them, I’d be bringing the curiosity home

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originally asking “$5 a piece”, I walked out with the locomotive and cars for $5 total- and noticed I could see some markings I’d missed before.

the locomotive and cars said “Varney” on the undersides. Hm...

research entailed!

~Toy trains, of all shapes and sizes.. Fun that lasts more than a lifetime!~

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Leverettrailfan

So, what exactly is it?

I knew the train was made by Varney, now... but I always thought Varney was a company known for making high quality HO locomotive kits, especially steam locomotives, during the postwar era. What was this cheap, simplistic model doing, carrying the same name?

Searching "Varney F3" didn't yield any results, though the plastic shells looked to use more or less the same mold.
Then I tried "Varney train set".
And there, in the results on Google images, I managed to find it-
with a box, that called it the "L'il Raskal".
I then searched for that- and found an advertisement being sold online, which both dates the train, and also explains why on earth it was designed the way it is.
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So, there we have it... Varney, marketing realistic scale models, decided to produce a train designed with the explicit intent that it was not a model, but a toy, and it would survive the worst misuse and abuse a child could throw at it.
Looking at the equipment I have, I question if these trains were really as tough as they claim, though I have no intent to attempt to break mine (any further than the damage they already have sustained in their previous lifespan). It also seems likely the "High Impact plastic", however tough it may have been back in 1958, is a fair bit more fragile now. The couplers do seem to be made of a flexible plastic, which I'm sure lead to very few broken couplers unless the user had the specific intent to attempt to damage them.

I'm looking forwards to getting this odd piece of equipment working again- there's something very interesting to me, in trains like these, which depart from how a model typically "should" look, for the sake of hitting a price point, or in this case, level of durability.

~Toy trains, of all shapes and sizes.. Fun that lasts more than a lifetime!~

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Benny

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Even if someone took these shells and mounted them on the 2 axle chassis, those chassis are very peculiar indeed!

I stand corrected - Ebay has two print ads right now for the lil rascal set.  There is indeed a caboose out there, along with a power pack of sorts that may be at the antique shop but you missed it because you didn't know it looks like a flashlight tube,

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Leverettrailfan

I found all there was

I will go back again and check, but these were on a shelf, with some toy cars- I say "pile", but it was more like a large handful of HO scale train cars gathered together haphazardly sitting on the shelf. I looked all about the assortment, and these were all the "L'il Raskal" items there. I don't recall seeing the battery tube, but you're right, I don't think I would have seen it for what it was, until I had seen an advert for the set. 

It's quite strange indeed, and there's no doubt about it being original- even before seeing any information on what I had, I could tell they'd been built this way- the molds for the freight cars all were made specifically to accommodate the metal frames, with flat, undetailed bottoms that feature locating nubs for holes in the metal frames. I also doubt that your average hobbyist would fasten the metal frames to a plastic body with rivets- what really had me confused, is I'd expect this to be some "no name" import from Japan or another east asian country. And the locomotive has "Varney" molded into the plastic part of the chassis- the metal frame is split down the middle, and riveted to the plastic part, so the frame sides serve as the electrical pickup from the wheels.

All in all, it does have the look of someone having slapped a few shells on top of some cheap, simplistic 4 wheel chassises. Out of curiosity, I decided to punch the retail price into an inflation calculator. According to that calculator, the retail price of $9.95 USD is equivalent to around $90 USD in 2021. Personally, for that money, I think there was better trains to be had in 1958. I'd imagine Varney also found it to be true, since it doesn't look like they ever expanded the product line beyond the one set, and the various add ons in the advert (I'm assuming they made them, but I haven't seen any pictures of the add on cars yet).
Still, I think they were onto something with those flexible couplers- considering how easy it was/is to break the normal kind.

~Toy trains, of all shapes and sizes.. Fun that lasts more than a lifetime!~

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Benny

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I regard the XF2 as one of the single most detrimental things to hold back this hobby...even if they were everywhere...it would be appropriate in this set!

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ctxmf74

1958 prices

I bought an Athearn GP 7 in 1957 , it cost $7.95 IIRC . I still have it , converted to a newer drive .If I ever build another HO scale layout I'll add sound and DCC to it :> ) ...DaveB

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jimfitch

The ad says "super detailed

The ad says "super detailed scale bodies".  It just goes to show you how much the definition of super detailed has changed over the years.  That thing belongs in a museum in the section on evolution of model trains.

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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df1995
I remember this. When mass-market ho trainsets started to appear around 1955, Gorden Varney belived that scale trains would be too delicate for children to play with. In this he was undoubtedly correct however is solution was unsuccessful, what he called "the Grandmother trade" where trains would be somplier and more rugged.
 BTW, I noted on this thread the usual attack on X2f, NMRA, or hook-horn couplers. If that writer will examine issues of MR when the design first emerged, he will find wide-spread praise for them, especially as standardized by MDC and Rail-Line. They were found to be reliable and easy to install. The competition was not very high then: Kadee was still mechanical rather than magnetic and was not particularly reliable. The Mantua hook and loop and the Baker were dreadful looking but reliable. And of course Kadee were patented so they could not be made by other companies and we're relatively expensive back in the 1950s when we were all poor. The X2f suffered, not because of its design but because train-set makers departed from the design. Linn Wescott, who was the MR editor at the time and very, very influential, pointed out that standardizing on X2f from Rail-Line or MDC would provide very reliable operation and cost less than 50 cents per pair.
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frwright
The X2f as a coupler worked pretty well.  If the trip pins were at the correct height, the coupler would stay coupled.  I only had one occasion where the plastic spring fatigued and the coupler let go.  Uncoupling was a completely different story.  I had to pick both cars up and twist them at angles before the couplers would let go.

Fred W
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