kchildress

Looking for ideas on placing a structure onto the diorama base.  The base is carved from XPS foam insulating board shown in the first image - you'll see a gentle curve in the base from front-to-back which copies to topography of my landscape.  The second image shows a concept floor of the structure. The final floor will be cut from 1/8" plywood.  The third image shows the placement of the brick piers that will support the structure.  The floor you see represents the main structure only - I think the porches will be added once I get the structure fixed solidly onto the foam base.

I can't decide which way to go ... to place all of the brick piers into the foam, get them all straight and level, then place the structure onto the piers.  Or, attach all of the piers to the bottom of the structure and then place the entire assembly onto the foam.  Or, maybe a little bit of both?

The brick piers will vary in height to follow the topography. The bricks are actual ceramic bricks.

Also, any ideas on adhesives would be much appreciated!  I have several adhesives that will work for attaching the bricks to the bottom of the floor, but I'm undecided what to use for fixing the piers in the foam board. I'm thinking something that is slow setting and thick for filling in gaps around the piers.

Looking forward to any ideas you have!

Kevin

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LyndonS

Weldbond adhesive

Kevin, I did a similar structure but not on the slope that you have. I did all the piers first just as you described. Easier than the second method. As for glue, I have been using Weldbond for several years now for gluing dissimilar materials. It looks and acts similar to PVA wood glue and is thick enough to be a gap filler.

https://www.weldbond.com/

Lyndon S.

Santa Fe Railway, Los Angeles Division, 1950s

See my layout at: https://nmra.org.au/santa-fe-railway-los-angeles-division-1950s/

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kchildress

Lyndon,   Thank you for the

Lyndon,   Thank you for the reply and recommendation for Weldbond.  I looked through the Weldbond website for comments related to XPS foam and I see no mention of compatibility one way or the other.

Is your experience that Weldbond will not eat the foam?

Thanks again,

Kevin

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sue

 What I would do and have

What I would do and have done ; Build the piers, and attach them to the base of structure. Then sink them into the foam as needed to get proper hight. By pressing down ,the piers will indent the foam ,easy to dig the holes.

I use Arlene'c tacky glue or plane ole caulk.

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LyndonS

XPS foam?

Kevin, I have no idea whether Weldbond has an effect on XPS foam. I have tried it on styrofoam, foamcore and EVA foam with no sign of it attacking any of those types. Best to try it on a small scrap piece. I suggest you try Weldbond anyway, because it won't go astray, it really is an universal adhesive. I still use liquid cement on styrene though. (Currently using Revell). When you finish your build I hope you will post some photos on this forum.

Lyndon S.

Santa Fe Railway, Los Angeles Division, 1950s

See my layout at: https://nmra.org.au/santa-fe-railway-los-angeles-division-1950s/

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kchildress

Sue,  Thank you for sharing

Sue,  Thank you for sharing your ideas.  I agree with you and Lyndon, that attaching the piers to the building (and placing entire assembly into the foam) is the way to go.   Thinking I'll excavate a footer into the foam - about an inch deep - to give the piers plenty of length to get down into the base. 

Lyndon,  Sounds good - I'll pick up some Weldbond.  As you say, sounds like a very universal product.  And I do want to share images of this project as I go along.  This is my first 1:48 scale project - a recreation of my dad's 1850's farm house - and I'm eager for people to see it.

Best,

Kevin

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kchildress

A Brilliant Suggestion to use Magnets

I received a suggestion from a different forum on how I might go about this.  The idea was magnets ... small magnets set into the foam and also attached to be bottom of the brick piers.   BRILLIANT!!!

Controlling the depth and level of the pier footers was not sounding fun. With this idea I only have to control the depth of the magnet and can make much more precise holes to place them in. Also sounds like the magnets could really reduce the number of "solid" contacts points I need to hold everything in place.  Just need to find the correct "strength" of magnets ...

Hoping this helps others.

Kevin

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kchildress

Back again with a new idea

Back again to share an idea that came to me for attaching my structure to the base.  

You'll see in my original images that my floor is a T-shaped piece of wood.  That represents the house footprint only and does not include the porches.  I've had to remake that floor a couple times due to warping / twisting.  Basically, I can't make it stay flat!   I began thinking of gluing a couple strips of oak to the bottom of the floor to keep it flat when it occurred to me those strips of wood could actually be a solid/rigid mount - all the way through the foam - attaching the floor directly to the inside bottom of my base (which is 3/4" cabinet grade sanded plywood).

The image below shows the rigid mount from top view and side view. The brown shape will be a strip of oak 2.5" wide, 9.5" long, and 2.25" tall. The mount will be set in from the edges far enough that it will be invisible from the outside.  The height of the rigid mount will set the back of the house at 8" (in 1:1 scale) above grade.  It seems this way I can make the structure perfectly level with only one dimension to control, with no concern about controlling the level depth of multiple brick piers.  I can just cut the pier holes as deep as I want for the piers to set down into the foam. 

Best yet, I get to test it all before fully committing.  I had already decided to replace the XPS pink foam with high-density SPS white foam. So I can use this pink foam and a spare floor to shake out any problems.

If anyone reads this, can you tell me the correct forum thread for sharing photos of my progress? 

Thanks,

Kevin

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jimfitch

Gravity?  

Gravity?  

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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Ken Rice

Basement block

Your basement block idea looks good to me Kevin.

And yup, this “Scenery and structures” forum is a good place to talk about structures.

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kchildress

Conclusion of the rigid mount

I wanted to share how my idea of a rigid mount for my structure has evolved.  I cut a hole in the foam to get a precise measurement from the foam surface to the bottom of my diorama base.  

I decided on a T-shaped rigid mount, at 2-1/4" tall, which I cut from the heart of a 2x4. 

I haven't attached the block to the floor yet, but the third photo shows about what it'll look like. 

My original floor design was made from craft plywood. I actually had to remake the floor a couple of times due to the plywood warping - I just couldn't control the flatness of that material.  I finally abandoned the plywood and framed my own floor using 3/16 x 3/16 stock and then skinned the frame with 1/32 sheathing. I'm very happy with the outcome! The floor is flat as a fritter and that makes me happy!  Besides, the "beams" in my floor work out to 9" x 9" in 1:48 scale and that's closer to real life for the period of home for which I'm recreating. 

When its time, the T shape will be cut out of the foam and the block will attach directly to the bottom of the diorama base.

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kchildress

Installed

And this is how that looks installed into the diorama base.  This gives a good idea of the slope in my topography.

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