MikeHughes

I found the MRH site accidentally a few days ago while searching for Track Plans for a very small HO switching layout that I've decided to build while away from home working. Kind of cool that a Google Search got me here via a picture of a track plan on Pinterest! I have a small room/office at my away place in Vancouver where I stay with a family. I'm hoping by documenting this, it might inspire other space challenged modelers to get building.

 Current Track Plan (Which has evolved a bit since I started this)

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See the comments that follow for the rest of the story ... which will grow and evolve. Dec 5, 2020 Blog Begins!

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MikeHughes

Onto the Build ... More Details ... Bedding and Boards!

I'm used to working at client sites, but with Covid-19, my little 8' x 6' home away from home “office-abode” is pretty much where I spend my life, other than the few in-person meetings we're allowed.  I've got my home office under a loft bed, so this is a really small layout set on one of the rails of the bed, and about 89” long by 11" wide (now with a new extension at the foot of the bed to protect locos from falling!)

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This layout will be mainly something I can get done and pass some pleasant hours experimenting with many things for my layouts back home.  I started on it a couple of weeks ago.  The kids here are intrigued, so maybe I'll inspire some new model railroaders.  I really hope to recreate the above scene.

Initially I was just going to contain the “Bedside & Hinged” to a single 1 x 6 board, but I was worried about the trains being damaged by an errant blanket, so decided to add another 1 x 6 and hinge it.  Trains will be stored on the fixed board and switched on both.  I am designing a "sector plate switch" (black push button on the panel shown below) that will swing about 35 - 40 degrees across the hinge gap to permit running trains between the boards and then rotate out of the way of the hinged area.  So far so good with testing with a Tortoise to move things.  More to come on that - It may end up being a Central Valley Bridge with a bit of poetic license over a small stream.  I’ve dubbed the yet to be proved out concept a “streamtable”.  More in this later on.

The backdrop is 1/8" thick masonite hardboard screwed to the board.  It's about a foot high.  Two of the kids where I stay are great artists so I’m hoping they'll help with the backdrop.  If that fails: Photo Backdrops from my cameras!

Here's the basic shape of things. 

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When folded up, the hinged portion will protect everything from any kicked blankets, etc.  I'll engineer some proper magnetic stops later so nothing gets crushed - right now the backward mounted hinges hold it at about 45 degrees. Speaking of hinges, I spent a bit of time with my router in-setting them flush and counter-sinking the screw holes on the back side.  Wishing now I had just deployed continuous hinges.  Will get to that eventually, sadly after wasting a lot of time with the router! 

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I already know that this “fold up” safety guard will be critical.  I left an engine and two cars on the hinged portion and bumped it a bit one morning.  All three models ended up on their sides.  Standard procedure will be to park trains on the fixed part prior to retiring.  This may suggest a few minutes of switching every day if two small trains must exchange places on the 24 hour clock.

I can lift the entire contraption off the bed rail if need be to in order to work outside on nice days or something. It's got a pair of 1 x 3 rails underneath to clamp to the 1" wide top rail of the bed and is very firm and sturdy without any additional fasteners.

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For now, just to enable running some trains, I put down one track line the full length of the board with a siding.  I bought a few lengths of Peco flex track and a couple of ancient used Shinohara #6's to get something happening while I waited for my Central Valley tie strip and switch kit order to arrive.  I also found a few lengths of Central Valley tie strip at the store and some Code 70 ME rail, so made about 3' of that to try it out.

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Being so space constrained, I built the base and then went looking for a track plan.  I'm using "Kurt's" O Scale Fort Smith track plan (https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/20668), with some minor adjustments at the ends to switch trains of one loco plus (likely) 2 cars and a caboose.  

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To me, it looks a lot like John Allen's Timesaver.  I don't know if that was Kurt's intention or not, but I know the original still provides a lot of switching action.  I'm adding one additional turnout at the left side front shown above.  I have acquired a Digitrax Zephyr DCC to run it all, and recently received my order of Central Valley Tie Strip and Turnout Kits, and the requisite Tortoise switch machines, DPM sections, etc. came from Central Hobbies.

I may just take my first crack at a flat of the Field Station on here. The rest, I won't have room for on the B&H Sub.  Perhaps some really condensed perspective on the backdrop!  All these pictures of Field. BC were taken by me with my trusty Canon M5, so no copyright worries for MRH.  

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In the 1950's there were still tracks in front of the station.  Today, only a very long yard behind.  I think it is five tracks.  This is a view from a hill behind the station.

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And from the same spot, looking west.  I have finally located a detailed plan of the yard and that and some photos of the old turntable and roundhouse will help me model Field properly on a bigger layout I have started on back home.  Always doing research!   John Cowan’s recent book has some excellent shots of the roundhouse and surroundings from behind the station.    I wish I had paid more attention as a young guy on my many trips through this area.  I missed capturing a lot of cool images and am now dependent on the work of others, mind you, we didn’t have digital cameras then and images weren’t “free”.

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Field is just begging to be a focal point of a layout.  I'll put a post up focusing on some of the local architecture at some point.  For the time being, here is the Superintendent's house.

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Stay tuned, tons more to come.  I can't wait to get the track down and start some DPM flats against the back wall.

About this Blog

As much as anything, I am documenting progress in here so I can remember years from now what I did, or so my Grandkids can, or so others building can borrow a technique or two that they might find useful. 

I am constantly reviewing old posts, updating where necessary, correcting images, correcting grammar and typos, etc.  So things will never be frozen in time here in a linear fashion.  I may go back and update something as new information has become available.  Think of this blog as a living breathing thing that evolves rather than point in time transactional posts that are preserved as first written.  You'll always be able to tell when I've updated something because the post date will have changed and no longer appear to be in sequence even though the posts retain their original order.

The Bedside & Hinged will be known as the B&H Subdivision of the CPR, in homage to John Allan’s G&H that has inspired my entire life in the hobby, much of it in an armchair dreaming, while collecting, and starting but not finishing countless layouts.  I’m determined to get this one done, despite my tendencies to procrastinate.

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Louiex2

Wow

What great idea and plan with an excellent start.  It proves that if you are committed, anyone can have a model railroad layout just about anywhere. I'm looking forward to following your progress.

Also, welcome to the MRH community. You will find lots of great model railroading here and I have to say that 99.9%* of the model railroaders are happy to encourage, answer questions, offer suggestions, and present great ideas you can steal use.  

Lou in California

*Just ignore the .1% who are whiners or critics and let them go back to their rivet counting while the rest of us work on our layouts. 

Update- @MikeHughes - just sent you a PM. 

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MikeHughes

Thanks Lou

MRH is excellent and I've really enjoyed exploring it already. I'm loving the Blog functionality here and how easy it is to document everything as I go.  I've been an IT Strategist for over 30 years, but this is my very first BLOG.  Apologies if I get too wordy, but I love writing and it’s so easy discussing a subject I love.  I'm also documenting to help me later on back home working on my real layout.

I noticed a young modeller just starting out (https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/41361) and that someone had referenced my Blog, so that made me think there may be a lot of kids just getting into the hobby without a bunch of space, and I should spend some extra time in the hope that it might help them.  Model Railroading is a great project for Girl Guides, Cubs, Scouts, Youth Groups, etc.

I will try try and do as much "step by step" here as I can, interjected with some CPR trivia, railfanning, photography (and maybe some advanced post processing techniques I've learned from some real masters), scene planning, electronics, scenery building, etc. as I go in the event that it can help a few kids get started.  I'm 58 and have been at this off and on since I was 6, but still consider myself a beginner, so will try and pass along what I can as I learn by doing.

A couple of shots tonight from trackside before I turn in. I can't wait to get some scenery built and my real camera out shooting scenes on the B&H.  The view angles enabled by looking at the trains from slightly below track level on a comfortable mattress are perfect.

These Rapido Trains loco's are amazing - FP7 shown - have already reserved a B.  Great sound, ok slow speed control, multiple separate light controls (roof spots, number boards, two colour class lighting, front and rear dimmable headlights ...). One of them even has Star Wars R2-D2 sounds and the Molson's I am Canadian dialogue behind a function key!  Heft, detail, sound and relatively the same price: why I'm abandoning N Scale.

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I don't have to imagine spending a day in Field watching trains.  I have done it many times.  Sadly not in the days of the Maroon and Gray.  I remember lots of engines of that colour as a kid, but never captured any images as I was really young.  For now, I have to settle for watching these Action Red beasties.

A scene like this could fit on the B&H!

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MikeHughes

Central Control Panel

I've already designed my circuits and built the panel and a facsimile track plan using plastic sheet and strips (Evergreen Scale Models) consisting of a black .080" thick black base and scale HO 6" x 8" scale white strips.  I'm using SP-ST momentary contact normally open turnout buttons that just toggle the Tortoises open and closed.  

The LEDs are tri-colour 3 lead models so red is for divergent and green for through.  Everything is running through Digitrax DS 64 stationary turnout controllers and I'm using the Tortoise internal switches and a Digitrax power supply to drive the LEDs.  Prototyped it all on a test panel to make sure it worked before building the control panel. 

I'll get some video up once I get the panel installed. For now, below is a still picture of the breadboard circuit I was prototyping to get it working and decide if I wanted to go with single or dual switches and LEDs. Eagle eyed among you will notice that I was lucky the way I had the resistors!  It's been years since I've used a breadboard and I forgot how the underlying wiring was connected across rows and columns lol.  The LEDs aren't expensive but both shops I get things from are out of them.  Supply chains seem disrupted in a lot of areas. So glad I didn't crisp any with my sloppy work.

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I can doodle the circuit up if anyone needs it, but it is pretty much straight out of the Digitrax DS 64 and Tortoise instructions.

I eventually decided on single switches and single LEDs for a cleaner, simpler, smaller panel, as I don't have a bunch of room.  
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I may experiment with Digitrax signaling down the road, just because, well let's say just my Laggan sub is gonna need a bunch.  Notice the grade beginning here at the east end of Field as the CPR mainline begins about a 20 mile climb to the Spiral Tunnels and the Great Divide.  The ruling grade here is about 2.2% for about 20 miles.  One of the more fascinating wonders of railway engineering anywhere in the world. ( Spiral Tunnels Pictures)

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Once the panel is done I'll be wiring up the Tortoises via terminal blocks.

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Then it’s time to get serious about hand-laying the Central Valley track and turnouts which arrived last week. 
I'd already done my first 3' of CV (on some ancient black tie strips I found buried at Central Hobbies) and weathered ME Code 70 and it looked so good that I ordered two bags of their new brown 2003 8'6" slightly variable tie strips with the pushover spikes as my small room and the pliobond are making for headaches.  4 #6 and 2 #8 turnout kits to practice on.  Mistakenly bought turnout detailing kits as well, not realizing they came with the Turnouts. Lol.  Trackside scrap pile I guess.

I’ll eventually use most of it back home on the Laggan Sub.  It took a while to find cork as well - my normal sources were out but I finally located enough for this project.  

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MikeHughes

A small addition...

Earlier this week, I added a small ~11” by 28" extension at the foot end of the bed mainly to protect trains from falling off the side of the main hinged shelf at a spot where there is no soft mattress to save them.

Hoping I can run a track or two on a tight curve over to it.  This board is also hinged so as to permit access to the main electrical panel under the shelf at the foot of the bed in this tiny lane house.

Running track over to it may necessitate hand laying a custom crossover which will be a new challenge for me ...

I have since modified the long hinged board to stop at the edge of the extension, so the last 11.5" no longer hinges up as there is no need for it to.  The new approach is reflected in my signature trackplan doodle.

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... or I may just indulge my love of mountain scenery and fashion a wee Kicking Horse Canyon scene on this board .  Here, west of Field on the way to Golden.

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Perish the thought because I just want to sell it all, but I could fit more scenery in using N Scale.  Lol.  

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jeffshultz

Puzzled

You're using momentary contact switches on Tortoise turnout controllers? 

I'm fully prepared to be wrong about this, but the Tortoise is a stall current device - it requires the current to switch polarity, and stay there, to move the points from one side to the other. 

It seems like the switch you describe would start the points moving, and as soon as you released it, would move them back to their original position. What sort of wizardry are you employing to turn a momentary contact into a toggle?

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Jeff Shultz - MRH Technical Assistant
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Modeling a fictional GWI shortline combining three separate areas into one freelance-ish railroad.

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MikeHughes

No Need to be Puzzled ... The Wizardry is all Digitrax! (DS64)

Hi Jeff,

Good question, and you would be absolutely right in a conventional circuit using a power supply and DP-DT switches to control the circuits.  You asked what kind of wizardry I was using, well, it's right out of the box wizardry (a plastic bag actually - a box would have been magical choice, Digitrax)!

As indicated, in my case I’m using a Digitrax DS64 to control my Tortoises.  It is a very cool piece of kit. Each Digitrax DS64 stationary controller can control up to 4 switch machines.  They come set default to operate  "snap switch" momentary-on switch machines, or you can change Control Variable 1 to meet the tortoise "always on" stall current requirements.

You can control turnouts via the switch function on your DCC Cab, or (as well as) use push buttons on the facia and/or a CTC PANEL.  In my case, I am using my throttles and/ or super cheap $0.80 push-button facia switches to control them.  The DS64 includes terminals to use either one (toggle mode) or two push buttons per switch machine.  All up to the user. 

Once I get my panel wired up and a couple of turnouts connected, I'll post a video. 

https://www.digitrax.com/products/stationary-decoders/ds64/

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MikeHughes

Ongoing Panel & Switch Machine Wiring

Tonight I am soldering leads to the push-button switches and LEDs at the back of the panel.  Here is a shot of one button/lamp configuration.  All  are getting spade connectors sized for the terminal strips I acquired.  The panel buttons and the common cathode from the LED leads will both have common grounds amongst them, so this will save on terminal posts..

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8 Port Edge connectors for Tortoises seem to be hard to come by around Vancouver and I worry the ten strip editions I could find could shift sideways and cause hard-to-trace havoc. 

Further complicating the issue, I've learned that there are new and old Tortoises and the old edge cards don't fit the new machines.  Besides, they're like $7 each so the terminal strips are cheaper, so I will hard solder to the Tortoise terminals and use 8 position terminals strips in between LED's on the panel and the wires to the DS64.  At some point, I will post a nice doodle here. 

More photos to follow explaining all this, but in the interim, the basic sequencing is:

Single (store was out) Digitrax PS14 power supply branched to (2) DS64s which are linked with Digitrax LocoNET.  That's it for everything related to turnouts in terms of power supply.  DS64 is so well engineered, it can take its power via a 2.1 mm plug, aux screw ports wired in parallel with the plug, or screw ports that connect to DCC track power.

DS64 control leads provide power to Tortoises (Ports 1 and 8) via Terminal Strips connected to DS64 output control ports.  So basically bare minimum if you want to use your DCC cabs to switch and don't need lights or facia turnout control.

Tortoise Internal SP-ST Switches provide power, ground and directional current flow to LEDs via ports 2,3 and 4 (or 5,6 and 7 which I'm reserving for powering turnout frogs if needed) to Terminal Strips.

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Pushbuttons go via terminal strips to DS64 A1 through A4 input ports.

Now that I've got a Tortoise wired up and installed, it works fabulous, BUT, I'm finding they are way to deep.  I am constantly catching my blankets on them and they are going to stick way out and look pretty awful when "Hingeville" is folded up against “Fixedville”.  Of course, I already acquired all six that I thought I needed.  Ah well, they can find a home on the Laggan Sub where the sub-terrain will be much more open and doesn't fold!  I haven’t decided what to call the halves of my layout yet - more on that later. 

I am thinking of potentially moving to these little guys  from Model Train Control Systems once I confirm their operation and how they operate with my DS64s, LED's, etc. They are only about 1/5 of the depth, a bit cheaper and have plug in push-block connectors.  I have just ordered a few (Feb 28/2021) to try out - hopefully the rewiring required will be minimal.  I don't think they are an exact plug n play swap for a tortoise but time will tell.

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jimfitch

bedside and unhinged?

Your topic title always translates in my brain to "bedside and unhinged"!  

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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MikeHughes

Lol, glad it caught your eye!

I may be unhinged at times , but the layout is hinged.  If the folding board ever comes unhinged there will be expensive trains falling all over the place.   But I do really like that name, "Bedside and UnHinged" ergo the BUHnny Line.  Who knows, it may get renamed!

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MikeHughes

Field, BC Local Architecture Gallery

Just a collection of shots.  Initially most will be presented "as shot" and as time permits, replaced as some Digital Darkroom Magic creeps in.

This group was shot on Nov 7, 2020 as I made my way to Vancouver.  I spent too long in a favourite Train Store (Trains n Such) in Calgary on my way through, so it was dark by the time I got to Field.  I went on to Golden so I could get a room and some breakfast in the morning (A&W).  Backtracked to Field to do some shots for terrain planning for my Laggan sub and also get some shots of the Station, etc.  Trains N Such had a used set of Intermountain DCC Sound FP7 A and B in CP Maroon and Gray, so I couldn't resist.  And a bunch of great used Cabeese at $10 each, and the Rapido RDC Budd Cars just arrived, so there will definitely be a Golden to Field to Lake Louise to Banff to Canmore Extra "Ski Train" running on our Laggan subdivision at some point.  I digress.  I do that often.     I needed a simple DCC system for the B&H as well so grabbed a Digitrax Zephyr.  Wanted to try a much cheaper NCE starter set but they advised against it as I wanted wireless and NCE is in some debate with the Radio Frequency department of our Federal Government.  

Back to the shot ...   Below, a subject I have shot before.  I messed up the composition on this edition as it was a bit cold out and I was already chilled from being out shooting valley shots with the tripod.  I was just too shivery to get out of my Jeep and compose it properly to get the Church and Mt. Stephens as the main focal points, so a quick shot out the window in full auto with the trusty Canon M5.

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And now, some digital darkroom magic, and voila ...

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Enough Photoshop and Nik will rescue just about anything - Right? 

Learned everything I know from a Canon Ambassador and landscape master named Edwin Martinez.  Google him.  His work is amazing. A nearby Banff Artist, Paul Zilko (sp?), also does stunning work in the Rockies, but I couldn't possibly keep up with the workout associated with his hikes to join one of his seminars, so I just study his technique online.

This little Church, it's steeple, and all it's people - just waiting to show up on a layout.  Walther's has an HO kit that looks surprisingly similar. Sadly, it's about $65 suggesting scratch building might be more fun.

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Oztrainz

More photos for you

Hi Mike, 

Have a look at  https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/a-place-i-will-likely-not-get-to-option-2-12216103 for some more photos around Field. Hopefully they might be useful, if only for inspiration, 

Regards,

John Garaty

Unanderra in oz

Read my Blog

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MikeHughes

Thank you so much ...

Hey John,

These are gems.  Well done and many thanks for linking me up.

Pretty much impossible to get trackside shots like these anymore without trespassing - only way is to be aboard one of the expensive scenic trains as you were.   

Looks like a great one at Yoho siding (?) in there.

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Dave K skiloff

Cool

This is the general region I've always wanted to model.  My Dad was a cook on the Trans Canada Highway construction crew and he told me stories of the trains around the Kicking Horse area and the spiral tunnels (he always wanted to model the spiral tunnels but never did).  I keep saying one day I'll model them but its probably not all that realistic to do so now.  But you never know.  I could do a fairly compressed version in N scale.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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Wendell1976

Small layout

To Mike: It is nice that you are building a small switching layout in HO scale. This is more proof that everyone has room for a layout. You are building a layout that is 1,246 square inches in area including the extension. That is just under nine square feet!

 

Wendell

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/30394

Small/Miniature Layout Track Plan Database(16 sq. ft. or less)

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MikeHughes

That is a LOT of square inches.

Had not thought of it being that big!  That’s a lot of scenery to super detail one square inch at a time!  Maybe a Franklin and South Manchester style approach!

As I measured things a bit more precisely to draw the track plan in XtrackCAD, I’ve discovered a wee discrepancy in the real estate:

  • 11” x 89” = 979 square inches - main sections
  • 11” +/- x 28 = 308
  • 979 + 308 = 1287!

For those who have popped in for a visit, I got sidetracked building a full-scale small porch roof at my away place to keep the rain off the front door, and now won’t be making any progress for a few weeks as I flew home to the farm for Christmas today.  

I had planned to bring some CV turnout kits to work on, but my suitcase was already jammed and I figured a few strands of code 70 would just get creamed if I tried to bend it in.

I thought about bringing the whole bag of rail but was worried airport security might deem it a security risk and a full bag of weathered ME code 70 is $100, so I wasn’t into leaving it behind if security was fussed. I knew I had code 40 and code 55 at home but wasn’t sure about code 70.

So, all I managed to squeeze in was some N Scale sample CV Tie Strip, so I might lay down some of that with some code 40 and post some pics.  My jury is still out about HO vs N on the Bedside and Hinged due to the limited real estate.  I really like the HO size models better, but I could get a lot more N Scale into the space available.  And I have a ton of CPR N Scale Maroon and Gray!  Time will tell!  I wouldn't add any more track so the control panel etc. would still be AOK and there would be a lot more room for scenery.   CV don’t make turnout kits in N scale though, so if I want  to hand lay, I’d need to drop a small fortune on FastTracks jigs and tools.

Meanwhile, while home, maybe I’ll make a start on the mezzanine for the Laggan sub, or the Dolly Varden, or build a circuit box for the programming track ...

After tonight’s flight, I really feel for the airlines. YVR was basically empty and the flight was maybe 20% occupied.    

Will get back at the B&H in the New Year.  

Merry Christmas everyone and hoping your 2021’s are all way better than 2020!

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Louiex2

Bodie Methodist Church

Mike-  

First off, Merry Christmas to you, too.   I just got caught up on your thread and the church photo caught my eye.

I have the Walther's church- it's pretty basic and at $65, IMHO, not worth it.  However, Bollinger Edgerly Scale Trains (BEST) has an outstanding kit of the the Bodie, California Methodist Church that is almost an exact match to the one in your photo. I'm currently building and super detailing the kit with scratch full interior. The downside is the cost is $104 USD, but the kit is worth every cent.   

If you decided to scratch build the church, here's a link to the US Library of Congress Historic American Building Survey (HABS) drawings and photos of the Bodie Methodist church that I'm sure you will find helpful-   https://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/item/ca0355/

Have a great holiday and a fabulous New Year.

Lou in California

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MikeHughes

Thanks Lou ... that's awesome

I will look that up for sure as this Church just has to be on the big Laggan layout, and maybe even on the B&H!

I think old Churches may have been like USRA boxcars and locomotives - built to a standard.   

Merry Christmas and I'd love to see photos of your model as it progresses. 

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MikeHughes

Ps ... Wendell

@Wendell, How come that repository of track plans isn’t searchable by scale, room size, etc?

 

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MikeHughes

New Athearn Genesis Sound GP9s - Wow!

A random trip into town yesterday yielded a brand new shipment of these lovely locos at Hobby Wholesale in Edmonton in Maroon and Gray.

8506 and 8512 are now on the roster and at least one will soon make the trek west with me to visit the Bedside & Hinged as I get back to its location and construction after a long Christmas break.  Loving all the passenger related details on the roof of these examples.  They are available without as well, and I spent a lot of time in the shop prior to selecting road numbers on google searching prototype photos making sure I got numbers that were known to operate in Western Canada.

These are by far the best sounding diesels I own (Tsunami 2) and the finish and detail is on par with my Rapido Trains RS-18 and FP9 (other than working class lights).  I actually had to turn the horn volume down.  It sounds very realistic.  They run really nice and slow too.  Glad to see a dependable old brand like Athearn still around and producing such state of the art stuff. 

PS If anyone has any of these and has discovered the secret to getting the ditch lights they say are there working, please do tell!

After running and hearing these wonderful HO Scale models, I have no idea why I have spent 30 years messing about in N Scale which seems to cost as much or more these days for DCC Sound. 

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Dave K skiloff

Well, not quite

My HO Rapido GMD1 cost me $280 at my favourite retailer and my N scale GMD1 cost me $220, both have DCC/Sound.  Likewise with ScaleTrains, the N scale Dash 9 is $235 MSRP and the HO version is $270 MSRP.  

I've gone back to N scale for the passenger trains.  My HO scale layout is now going to be a modest switching layout and the N scale will be larger with more scenery and longer trains for passenger cars.  I just don't have the space for HO passenger trains to run more than two or three cars in the consist.  

Looking forward to seeing more of your layout as it develops, though.  Always good to see more Canadian content on here.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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MikeHughes

Your source must be a better bargain!

You must have a better source!  The Hobby Store I was in had no N Scale DCC Sound for less than $300 and DCC Sound Steam was over $400 (Cdn.) I'm shocked at the prices these days.  I used to think $100 was a lot for a locomotive.

Their HO DCC Sound Diesels were $275 - $350.  These GP9's were $345.99 Cdn each. I managed to get $10 each off by buying 2 but they weren't moving much as "they are sure to sell out fast".  Lol.

I did not do a prototype model by model comparison.  The manufacturing engineering would be harder on N Scale, but there is 8-9 times the volume of material in the HO model, the sound is 10x better, the details, the weight, etc.  I can barely hear the N Scale sound.  The HO I have to turn down so as not to wake the family if they're asleep.

N is great for great big scenes, but I've installed my very last N Scale decoder ever.  Just not worth the pain and suffering for me!

Are you modelling CP Rail?

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I've determined in HO to control the temptation to buy everything so I have stuck to CN and VIA only and sold my CP stuff (except a few action red passenger cars).  However, in N scale, that is still negotiable.  My focus in N is passenger trains, though, so it still keeps me somewhat limited.  I've got two of the Rapido Canadians on order (one VIA and one CP Action Red), along with a couple of the extra car sets and a number of FP9s to pull them.  

"I've installed my very last N scale decoder ever"

I don't plan to do any of that fiddly work in N scale either - everything will be pre-installed with sound.  It sounds like you've made the same switch I made 7 or 8 years ago - tired of the fiddly N stuff and want "real" sound with HO.  With Scale Sound Systems speakers in HO locos now, HO sound is vastly superior to N for sure, but my temptation will be if Scale Sounds Systems comes out with speakers that will fit in N scale and sound so much better.  As it is, though, the two sound locos I have (Rapido GMD1 and FPA4) are actually a lot better than I expected.  I think they sound as good or better than my first HO sound equipped loco but are obviously not nearly as good as a SSS equipped HO loco.  Not even close.

And since I have no affiliation with them so this isn't advertising, I buy most of my stuff from Otter Valley Railroad (ovrtrains.com).  Their prices and service are fantastic.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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MikeHughes

Back at work on the B&H, and Famous CPR Tunnels

Flew my 182 back to Vancouver from the farm a couple of nights ago, so I will be getting back to work on the Bedside and Hinged. 

Likely the nicest flight of my many back and forth junkets across the Rockies.  Dead calm and yet great tailwinds from the east.  Averaged about 160 mph ground speed and was doing 220 at one point.  No Covid in my bird!  The pyramid shaped peak behind the strut and just below the wing is Mt. Assiniboine in the Columbia Icefields from 16,000'.  Somewhere about 80 miles to the north is the CN mainline, and about the same distance to the south, the CPR mainline.

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Speaking of the CPR mainline, (photo BELOW), my track takes me on a SE heading.  I hadn't planned it but got lucky with my crappy old iPhone 4.  Just below the wing strut, if you look closely, you will see the Trans Canada highway in the base of the valley, and the CPR mainline as it makes the climb up to Rogers pass.  The notch below the pitot tube is the east entrance to Rogers Pass, and the trains dive into two of the longest railroad tunnels in the world to avoid the massive snows in the pass where avalanches killed a lot of brave Railroaders in the 1800's as they tried to keep the trains running. 

You can see where the lower Mt. MacDonald tunnel starts.  If memory serves, it is almost 15 km long. 

The higher line is the old Connaught tunnel completed in 1916 , but the wing strut is in the way of the portal.  The lower line is a newer, longer tunnel, the Mt. MacDonald tunnel, completed in the 1980s.  Both are fascinating projects and worth reading about, especially the ventilation system in the Mt. MacDonald tunnel.  Somewhere in the mountain to the south of the pass, there is a 3,500 vertical shaft rising up to the top.  I've never been able to find it from the air, but I haven't taken the time to divert and specifically try and find it either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connaught_Tunnel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Macdonald_Tunnel

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I don't know if the wikis mention it, but a species of mouse has evolved in the Connaught that are born without eyes.  They eat grain that falls off the mile long loaded grain trains that move west.  It will be interesting to see if they are still around in a few years as the westbound trains now move on the lower grade MacDonald line and empties move east on the Connaught line. 

Rogers Pass is an important aspect of Canadian history from its early discovery and exploration through today and the challenges it still presents to winter driving.  While you will have to navigate the page numbers (they are out of order) this is an excellent read if you are interested in this area:  Rogers Pass.

Back to the B&H, the first thing I had to do was beef up the suspension for my fold up shelf at the end of the bed.  The initial bolt I had installed didn't have a physical lock and seemed to creep a bit every day, eventually allowing the shelf to fall, dumping everything on it.

This is the new positive locking bolt below the shelf that I installed today, which fold's down if I need to get to the breaker box.  The new GP9 is at the edge of the worrisome "cliff".

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And in the normal "up" position with the bolt locked.

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Sorry, I know the bit about the bolt was a bit anticlimactic after the stuff about the tunnels!  But some of my posts will have more to do with my prototype railway than with my attempts feeble at modelling it.

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