lloydthomson

Good day,

I realize issue MRH #8 is over ten years old as well as the importance of conserving server space for current features.  However, is there a possibility *.php files included in M. R. Snell's article "Using Sound to Enhance Your Railroad" be resurrected in some fashion?  When I click on the links from either the pdf file from my archive of MRH e-zines or the online Issuu version, I'm presented with error messages.  

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Prof_Klyzlr

What examples/sounds are you aiming for?

Dear Lloyd,

May I ask, what particular audio FX/examples are you looking for?
Do you have a specific (sonic) model or scene you are wanting to apply sound to?

The state-of-the-art in LayoutSound has come a Loooooooooooong way since this article was published,
reccomend "confirming the mission parameters" of the (sonic) model you are wanting to build/deploy,
and then restarting the "how to get there from here" research with contemporary/up-to-date options...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to improve,
Prof Klyzlr

PS, for the "trip down memory lane", if nothing else,
it might be worth reviewing the original thread which accomopanied the article,
https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2010-JulAug/layout_sound

 

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joef

By today's standards ...

Realize these videos were recorded almost 11 years ago now, roughly four generations of digital video and audio technology has happened since then. These videos have really crappy sound by today's standards ... wind noise, auto-sound-levels all over the map (bad in/out high-low sound levels), and the video is teeny-tiny in the age of 4K. Even a cheap cell phone will run circles around these video recordings. Believe me, you're not missing a thing, other than a good laugh at what we thought was cool consumer high-tech digital video and audio in 2010. Prof is totally right, don't waste your time on these low tech audio-video examples. You can do much better today.

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joef

As an example here's the first video

I uploaded the first video to our Vimeo account, so here you go ... and this is one of the better ones. https://player.vimeo.com/video/469549012?color=ff0179&title=0&byline=0&portrait=0 The audio is pretty bad ... wind noise, car noise, audio volume going up and down ... and the video is a far cry from today's base level 1080p HD. You could visit a grade crossing with any cell phone today and shoot a better sample video clip. And they only get worse from here.

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lloydthomson

Prof Klyzlr ... I'm

Prof Klyzlr ... I'm attempting to find sounds (machines, tools, hammering, etc.) which may have been heard emanating from a transition era roundhouse.  Re-reading articles about sound in back issues of MRH made me curious about the audio linked to these older posts.

I'll continue my search.

Thanks gents.

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Prof_Klyzlr

Roundhouse machinery

Dear Lloyd,

Thanks for the clarification of the target sonic model "scene". A roundhouse is a natural "focal point" both visually and aurally, and options for source material are reasonably-available.

- If you just want a "plug n play" Scale Sound solution, I'd point you towards FantaSonics Engineering,
and specifically their "Urban --> Roundhouse" and "Industry" ranges. 
http://fantasonics.com/store/cd.html

While previously provided on CD
(for use in a regular CD player, or for ripping into whatever file-format your chosen player-hardware requires)
the newer releases come pre-loaded on a Pricom DreamPlayer, which is arguably the leading "purpose designed and built for Model RR applications" CD-spec uncompressed audio player available.
http://fantasonics.com/scaledreams/player.html

- IF you'd prefer to DIY, and IF you are OK with "kitbash/scratchhbuilding your own soundtracks",
(Hint: get comfy with your preferred audio-editing application, and "Noise Reduction" tools!)

then sources for "kitbashing" include:

the FreeSound Project
https://freesound.org/

SoundBible
http://soundbible.com/free-sound-effects-1.html

BBC Sound FX
http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/

...and look here for more...
(NB that my preferred sources, listed above, are Top 2 in this list!   )
https://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/free-sound-effects/ 

You will still need to select an appropriate playback solution,
and then optimise your Sound Design and Mix to suit the target scene and system, 
(I would still reccomend the DreamPlayer as the Go-To player unit,
with a decent-spec MP3 player as "looping ambience" backup option),

but these should get you started....

- You may note that I've not mentioned Youtube as a viable source. This is simply because the typical audio content available on-platform runs the gammut from "barely usable" to "downright unlistenable",
(too much extraneous noise, hiss, buzz, distortion, wind, low-audio-levels, AGC issues, etc),

and the typical ammount of noise-reduction/clean-up/unwanted-background-noise-elimination work required make it unsuitable for anything other than "prototype research/reference".

IE just like visual modelling, the only available reference picture of a given old physical thing may be a horrible, mangled, poor-contrast B&W image. It's valuable as a reference image, because it gives an idea of "what the thing used to look like", but you wouldn't use it to measure. scale, or as part of the scale model, as it's simply "too poor an image". Much better to start with some other "raw material" and hone-down to the target "thing"...

I hope this helps...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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joef

Issue 8 media

After looking at the issue 8 media we have in our archives, it's my opinion digital media has moved on and the samples provided are of extremely low quality -- in other words, not worth resurrecting. You're not missing a thing. Look for other more modern examples -- the quality will be light years ahead of what was posted in MRH back ten years ago. Your modern phone can make far better recordings than what the author gave us for his article in issue 8.

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lloydthomson

Roundhouse Sounds

Prof_Klyzlr,

Your resource list gives quite a few possibilities to explore.

Thanks very much !!

 

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