ednadolski

Hello Modelers,

I've started building a modern-era HO scale shelf layout, inspired by Lance Mindheim-style Palmetto Spur plan and One-Turnout layout.  I already have some rolling stock but one thing I'm not sure of: what are the kinds of tank cars that would be generally appropriate for the bakery (vegetable oils) and food processing (corn syrup) industries?  There are lots of different tank car models on the market - which would be most representative of these kinds of cars?  (Note, I'm partial to the higher-end, better detailed models such as Athearn Genesis and Intermountain.)

All advice much appreciated, thanks in advance!

https://lancemindheim.com/2012/09/a-one-turnout-layout/

https://lancemindheim.com/2017/08/one-turnout-two-years-of-satisfaction-and-going-strong/

Ed

 

 

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twinner

Corn Syrup Tank Cars

I have a small layout with a corn syrup transload facility. I am using atlas corn syrup tank cars. Walthers also makes them, and intermountain I believe Isco I gotta out with one

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rch

Corn Syrup

Corn Syrup tanks:

Intermountain makes a nice corn syrup car and so does Atlas:

Intermountain 19,600 gallon tank car

Atlas 17,600 gallon tank car

For vegetable oils I'd go with a 23,000 to 25,000 gallon tank car. The Atlas 23,500 gallon tank is an older ACF prototype, but they can still be found out there for another 8 or 9 more years depending on the exact build date. The 25,500 gallon tank is a 1986+ Trinity prototype that is a much nicer model. The Atlas 20,700 gallon tank represents a prototype that's probably gone by the modern era, but you might occasionally see some stragglers. Probably more likely in tallow/technical fat service if anything.

Atlas 23,500 gallon tank car

Atlas 25,500 gallon tank car

Atlas 20,700 gallon tank car

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blindog10

Pre-1995 vs post-1995

Why is 1995 important?  The weight limit for "100-ton" cars went up on January 1st.  This didn't effect tank cars hauling hazmat at first, but tanks hauling foodstuffs immediately jumped in size.

Another important date is January 1998, when the "spreadsheet" was added to tank car stenciling.  Within five years I'd say 99% of tank cars had spreadsheets.  So if you narrow down your date this can help you pick out models.

The aforementioned Atlas 17,000 gallon corn syrup car's prototypes were built roughly from 1985 to 1995, while the Intermountain 19,000 gallon syrup car was built starting in 1995.  Both prototypes were built by Trinity Industries. 

Walthers makes a roughly 16,500 gallon Union Tank Car "Funnel Flow" that was used for corn syrup and caustic soda.  Production started in the '70s and went at least to 1995.  Most Funnel Flows built specifically for syrup after 1985 were a touch larger.  Starting as a less-than-stellar kit, the later production runs of this model have better detail.  Not as nice as the Intermountain though.

Scott Chatfield

 

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rch

It's a shame that we have to

It's a shame that we have to upgrade the Walthers car to have Union Tank prototypes to mingle in with our Trinities, but such is life. I didn't mention the Walthers cars because the OP wanted "Genesis" type cars, but if you're up for doing some detailing they're a decent starting point.

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Ken Rice

Funnel flows or not

All the real industries I’ve seen in person that receive veg oil and/or corn syrup have gotten it in funnel flow tanks of the appropriate size.  I used to think veg oil and corn syrup were only shipped in funnel flow cars, but I guess sometimes straight tanks are used?

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blindog10

Funnel Flow is UTC's name

A Funnel Flow is specifically a car built by Union Tank Car.  Like "aspirin" and "coke" which have become generic names the term is often applied to other "bent barrel" tank cars like those made by Trinity since the mid '80s.  Today many non-pressure tanks built are bent-barrel designs.

A similar case is Center Flow and centerflow.  Only ACF and subsidiary ARI make true Center Flows.  The curved-side, centersill-less covered hoppers built by other companies are just centerflows.

Scott Chatfield

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ednadolski

LPG tanks cars?

Thanks all, this is great info.  What about some of the Athearn LPG and ethanol tank cars?   They are nice models but I am wondering if there is a way to fit in some kind of loading/unloading facility on such a small layout, that would be at least reasonably plausible and not look like a 'heavy' industry (with large structures, storage tanks, etc). Perhaps something that could take 1-3 cars?  Could that be plausible on a transload spur?

Thanks again!

Ed

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Ken Rice

LPG, ethanol, chemicals

What I’ve noticed on the prototype around the eastern MA / southern NH area is that the smaller LPG transloads seem to be a thing of the past, and the LPG and ethanol transload spots that are new or remaining are larger ones that handle a number of cars.

But there are small industries that get other types of tank cars like various chemicals.  One example:

Harcros Chemicals Inc
8 Capitol St, Nashua, NH 03063
(603) 880-0535
https://goo.gl/maps/GBiB14YPQMFiivbm6

Another example:

Astro chemicals
121 Shaws Ln, Springfield, MA 01104
https://goo.gl/maps/68ubodDAEpNizu9y8

(Until recently they only had the 2 unloading spots on the short spur at an angle, the track next to the building is new.)

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lars_PA

Here's Suburban Propane in

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Here's Suburban Propane in East Freedom, PA, on the Everett RR.  It still gets one tank car at a time.  Rail is rated for 263K cars at this location.  You're about halfway there with the Walthers LPG dealer.

 

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Graham Line

LPG

I've seen one-car propane spurs, with a dealer off-loading right into service trucks.  Really depends on what else you have planned and what sort of atmosphere you want.

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Ken Rice

Suburban Propane

Lars, interesting that you have a Suburban Propane around there that still gets a railcar.  The few Suburban Propanes I know of around yhis area still have a track, but it’s been unused since before I started looking 10+ years ago.  They all get their propane trucked in now.

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railandsail

Cryogenic Plant & Helium Plant

I like tank cars too !!

Early on I had wanted to possible find a location for at least a small cryogenic plant along with a spherical storage tank for those liquefied gases. It stems from my long time fascination with those cryogenic tank cars. I bought at least 8 of them when BLI finally bought out those plastic ones. Up to that time I figured the only way I would be able to afford those brass cars was to kit bash them like Bobby Pitts did such an excellent job on.

Here is my first attempt to mock-up a plan along an upper shelf on my layout under construction,..
https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/cryogenic-plant-helium-plant-12213985


 

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