trainmaster247

I'm at the point in life where it's time to start looking at colleges and finding extra scholarships to put a dent in loans does anyone know of any for people that may be interested in the railroad field? The specific degree I am considering is mechanical engineering and I know that could potentially be related and I imagine the number of people applying for such things may be lower than other more common ones.

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dssa1051

Michigan Technological University

MIchigan Tech actually has a railroad engineering program.  My son is a graduate and landed a position at CP but the program actually began after he graduated.  Michigan Tech is one of the top 10 engineering schools and offers 100% placement.  Unfortunately no school program makes your job Hunter Harrison proof (former president of CN and then CP and then CSX) 

The only negative is if you're from a warmer clime is that it is located in Houghton (Hoe-ton) Michigan in the Upper Peninsula and snowfall can exceed 300" a year.

Robert

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jeffshultz

Scholarships

Google fu time:

https://www.supt.org/FrankJRichter

https://careers.amtrak.com/scholarship.html

http://www.nrcma.org/scholarship%20program (probably doesn't apply unless your parents or grandparents worked for the right company)

https://www.scholarships.com/financial-aid/college-scholarships/scholarship-directory/employer/union-pacific/union-pacific-william-e-wimmer-scholarship  (this looks like just what you are looking for)

These might be of interest:

https://www.fastweb.com/directory/scholarships-for-railroad-and-railway-transportation-majors

I basically Googled "railroad scholarships"

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leestepr

Also think about co-ops and internships

Most of the class ones and Amtrak have them, and so do the suppliers and associations. Check out their career pages. AAR has railroad career link page with numerous such resources. 
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Steve 

Steve Lee

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jimfitch

Must be an unusual year. I

Must be an unusual year. From the link below, there is a city in Japan that regularly exceeds 300" but in the US much less on average. I spent 15 years in Syracuse and having grown up in California naturally am not a big fan of snow. Looks like the UP of Much has some competition. Anyway, no thankyou. I've left lake effect snow behind and don't plan to ever live there again. From the link below: "Syracuse tied for fifth with Quebec City. Each has an annual snowfall of 124 inches, according to AccuWeather. Syracuse had the highest snowfall total of any U.S. city on the list." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/news/2014/02/syracuse_10_snowiest_cities_weather_channel_rochester_buffalo.html%3foutputType=amp

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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dssa1051

MTU snowfall

The MTU campus is located where the 5 in the lower 295 is on the Keweenaw Peninsula, the finger that juts out into Lake Superior.  The record snowfall for the region is 390.4 inches.

Robert

 

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dwilliam1963

It's only a little snow....

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Rook2324

Penn State

Penn State has an engineering school at Altoona, Pa that has a program in Rail Transportation Engineering. They could supply you info on scholarships. A friend of mine is a sophomore there with some scholarship money. 

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trainmaster247

Thanks all,

,I had seen most of the ones you linked jeff but some others were new to me thanks.

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cdguenther

IIT (Illinois Tech)

I don't know if IIT in Chicago has a dedicated railroad engineering program, but it is a top rated engineering school with an active model railroading club, that judging by their Facebook page does a lot of industry tours, seminars, and co-op programs. In other words, networking...which can lead to a RR career.

Search fb for Illinois Tech railroad club

Full disclosure: I am an IIT graduate.

Clarence

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Louiex2

Progressive Railroading Article

Here’s a link to an article on schools offering engineering degrees in railroading.  It’s a few years old but may help.   https://www.progressiverailroading.com/rail_industry_trends/article/Colleges-universities-develop-courses-degree-programs-for-rail-minded-engineering-students--41770

Lou in Idaho

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jimfitch

The MTU campus is located

Quote:

The MTU campus is located where the 5 in the lower 295 is on the Keweenaw Peninsula, the finger that juts out into Lake Superior.  The record snowfall for the region is 390.4 inches.

Robert

No thank you!.  If any one wants bragging rights for snow, by-God they can keep them!  I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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TomO

Write

I had 2 high school friends (class of 70) that wrote directly to the CEO of the company they wanted to work for. One was Sears and the other was Boeing. Both of these explained they didn’t have the money for college, wanted to work in the field and asked for help. They both explained they would gladly sign contracts to work a specified amount of years with the company after graduation. Very similar to the service academy agreements for the Army, Air Force and Navy. They both received full rides. Unfortunately for Sears he became one of the architects of their collapse in the early 2000’s but made a good life in upper management. The other became a director of the Boeing defense division. 
 

Basically if you don’t try you will never now. I would write a letter to Warren Buffet and explain your situation, DO NOT EMBELLISH. Explain what you want to do and go from there. I would find the other CEO’s of any company or field you want to enter. Give them a reason you want to work for them in detail and do this in a letter not a email. Make it personal.

Good luck

Tom

TomO in Wisconsin

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trainmaster247

hmmm interesting idea

I like that idea tom it may be worth a shot 

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BOK

One very important point when

One very important point when talking to folks about wanting to be a railroader: DO NOT say anything about being interested in railroading other than the job! Speak about enjoying working outside in all types of weather, all times of the day or night and at any time of the week. Speak about safety being number one and complying with all rules. DO NOT talk about photographing trains or building models of railroads since that is seen as being a distraction to performing on the job and "foamers" are definitely, not appreciated.

There are some junior colleges and others which offer training to be a conductor/engineer and speak of helping you get a job after completing the course. However, most of the big roads and some shortline/regionals don't recognize or appreciate these schools as they want to train you their way, to understand their rules and policies. The one in Overland park, Kansas which BN started is probably the best.

Most schools/colleges which offer engineering degrees for railroad work are looking primarily for civil engineers as most mechanical engineers are vendor based personnel and most mechanical folks come up through the ranks and are union based rather than management. These are the folks who work in locomotive and car shops.

Right now, railroads are not a positive, career source. The big roads are laying off folks (train and engine crews), contracting services in MOW and mechanical areas, down sizing, and leasing/selling off lines. They are using technology everywhere possible to eliminate people and many customers to please shareholders with low operating ratios. Very few roads, now are hiring...out in the field or in the offices. Look at the size of an average through freight ... double the size of ones just a few years ago and consequently less of them operating. With continued rationalization and high tech operations eventually, the railroads will come back from a downward slide but they will definitely be different with even less people and operations.   

If you want to get your "feet wet" and can afford less pay, after high school, go to work for short line/regional railroad so you learn railroading from the ground up with all it's trials and success. Then, with a little experience you can decide if you want to make it a long term thing ... and if anyone is still hiring. Sorry for the grim but factual information but it is what it is. 

Good luck.

Barry, retired railroader after fifty, years of service.   

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trainmaster247

To barry,

While I'm taking the other suggestions as well I was looking more for info to see if my past interest in the hobby would give any potential benefits mainly just looking at all my posibilities to keep college as cheap as possible

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BOK

Keegan, I likely was a bit

Keegan, I likely was a bit rough on you in my post where you are looking for a college course to enhance your chances of entering the railroad industry. So let me see if I can help you a bit.

Having trained engineers and conductors for a number of years I wanted to let you know that having an interest in trains can be a detriment when trying to get into the industry. Most education and professionals don't speak of their hobbies due to "red flags" popping up in interviews signaling a less than serious attitude toward a career in railroading.

Now if you have used your hobby to increase the ability to speak before people that would be a positive trait for you. In addition, you spoke of possibly, looking at mechanical engineering and if you can show evidence of a learning experience in the hobby you could share that... as long as it's not a promotion of the hobby. BTW, do you have a strength in math? If you do that will help in any engineering program since that engineering, no matter the type is all about numbers and formulas to build things and infrastructure.

BTW, there is an engineering program at the U of I Champaign which has a lot of railway engineering courses and seems very popular but again maybe expensive (maybe made easier by you being a resident of Illinois and tuition being less costly). I know a few of the young guys who are in the program and volunteer at the nearby Monticello Railway Museum to gain practical, "hands on" railroad experience and they seem to be happy with college. 

Finally, if college expenses are too much and a scholarship is not available, you may want to consider what I did and that was work you way through college having a part time job to pay expenses while attending classes as time and money allows. I did that working on the Illinois Central as a brakeman during summers to pay my way to return to college in the fall. I realize, that those railroad, vacation jobs are no longer an option but I know there a couple of short lines in the area which, possibly, could use some type of laborer, job including MOW to provide some financial resources. These are only suggestions.

I wish you the best in your search.

Barry 

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TomO

Actually

Barry I don’t think that was too tough and Keegan has learned from this forum a few things over the years. One should have been tough skin and keep trying.

Keegan, just don’t limit yourselves on anything you want to do. I agree with almost everything you have been told as advice here. Barry is right though, railroading or any other job is about the job not because you or someone thinks it is neat. If you need help with letters ask your counselor at school. Push your counselor to help you. Do not back away because you feel funny about asking. If you write to say a Warren Buffet type make sure you ask for his advice to propel you forward to your request. Any good CEO of a modern progressive company is always looking toward the future, it is not always about today. Plug away and write to many in the fields your are thinking about. If there is a failure to connect keep trying. Barry gave great advice into working and college as you go. Remember anything is possible.  
 

Tom

TomO in Wisconsin

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Visit the Wisconsin River Valley and Terminal Railroad in HO scale

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BOK

Excellent advice, Tom. Barry

Excellent advice, Tom.

Barry

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Benny

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Keegan, before you start looking at colleges with an idea what you're going to study, I want to you very firmly sit your rear down and take a good hard long think about what you want to do and how you are going to get there.
You mention you want to perhaps pursue Engineering.  I will answer this by saying you have better have top notch mathematical skills and be well versed in Calculus, even now as a high school student.  If mathematics is at all difficult for you now, it's not going to get easier!
 
I myself have three utterly useless degrees under my belt and the student loans to prove it - and I haven't been to a university in nearly ten years.  I did work in the field of my first degree for about three years, but that was a terrible existence on the feast or famine geology work schedule and I only had the final work in the geology field due to a connection I made in my first fall class of my Library Science masters program.  My third and last degree is as equally worthless as the first two degrees but not because I don't work in the field of that degree, but rather because the field of Aircraft Avionics Systems couldn't give a rat's tail if I have the Associates degree in Avionics Systems from the Community College of the Air Force or not; what they care about is my nearly ten years of avionics experience working on avionics systems.
 
I started in Mechanical Engineering myself, it took my until Vector Calculus to figure out it just wasn't going to work out.  That turned into a major change that then led to a second major change and an eventual graduation after six years.  If your mathematics are not ready for Calculus I by the time you enter the university as a freshman, tack on another year of college for each year it takes you to get to Calculus I!
 
I told you to take a hard seat down and re-evaluate your outlook.  There's a good reason for this, the first notion you have to understand is that the degree itself is worthless, meaningless, and there are millions of people who will never go back and work in the field for which they have a degree.  In many cases pursuing that degree set their professional and personal lives back decades due to the time they spent and the debt they incurred pursuing it.  The second notion you have to understand is that if it's worth doing and you want to be well paid for doing it, it's going to be a job that is difficult in one way or another, and EVERYBODY thinks they have the Intellectually Difficult profile down pat.  Very few have the combination of intellectually difficult, environmentally difficult, physically difficult, etc and so forth.

There are a ton of career opportunities that are available to you NOW that will never be open to you again.  Later on you will have a family, be less geographically mobile, be less physically able, be shouldered with responsibility, and you won't be able to go be that drill rig hand or that para-rescueman or a lineman or join the railroad or join the military or whatnot.    At the same time, you do not want a job that's going to beat you up for menial pay and no benefits, and that includes an easy entry level job anybody (and not to disparage older people) including old people with no prior experience or education in that field can start doing at any age.
 
My first advice is to only go to college if you can get someone else to pay for it, and I mean with no obligations hanging over you after you complete the education.  My second advice is to steer clear of any major that you can pass with a simple google search.  My third piece of advice is to listen to yourself when it comes to the golden opportunities that suck - Jobs with benefits are few and far between, especially retirement benefits, and you only need 20 and 30 years to get retirement benefits form many of the places that do offer them.  Think about what you want to do, and then think hard about what you can do, and then find something that you can do that will pay you enough time and money off to allow you to think about the things you want to do.

Once you figure out what fields and careers you think you can do that will exact you the kind of income you would like to enjoy, take a good long hard look at technical training and certification that will get you into those fields.  I knew a bouncer about ten years back who only bounced because his brother needed him to do it, but otherwise he was doing very well financially working as an electrician for the county fairgrounds.  He further had the expertise and knowledge where he could wire up a panel for a house on the side and make a little extra money (did you know a house electrical panel easily starts at $1000?) if he was feeling froggy or someone he knew needed a little help. 

If you can join the military (and that's a hard line because only 25% are eligible to join in the first place and only 1-2% actually do), I would suggest you very seriously consider the technical career fields available through either the Navy or the Air Force in a heartbeat.  All you need is four to six FAST (I mean blink and they're gone) years of commitment to keeping your head straight and your wits clean and you can leave with what amounts to four years of paid university tuition WITH a monthly housing stipend that may very well be worth as much as the tuition payments!  It's quite easily the best deal I know going around, not many places are offering a better one.  The problem with this route is that if you get a good career field, you'll want to stick out your twenty years and get that military retirement with healthcare for the rest of your life, which doesn't sound like much now but in twenty years will mean bank.
 
I hate the fact that I wasted 8 years of my life in college and a year after trying to figure it all out when in reality I could have gone to the Air Force in the Spring of 2000.  If I had done so, I would literally be RETIRED in less than 7 months from today, and by retired, I mean half of my Air Force paycheck for the rest of my life.  Alas, I still have ten more years before that glorious day - but here's to another ten great years or a good living!!  You're not going to get it back - this time, this place, this endless sense of opportunity - enjoy it while you have it!!

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BOK

Great advice, Benny. I

Great advice, Benny.

I agree,... a trade like carpenter, electrician or plumber these days would be a better investment than college.

Barry 

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Benny

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Barry, I would agree with two out of three of your suggestions.

Electricians have to be certified - for good reason.  It could kill you in a split second - you or the people you are doing the work for if you do the work wrong.

Plumbers also have to be certified as well.  It's dirtier work but it's not as hazardous day in day out as the electrician job.

Carpenters do not need any special certification, and what more, a group of guys hanging out in the front of Home Depot will happily take those positions doing framework for $10 and $15 an hour Cash under the table while your average consumer will drool over a fine piece of handmade furniture and then buy the cheap Chinese junk or whine about why the handmade piece isn't priced like the Chinese junk, and then you see the cheap handmade southeast Asian quality and it's just time to pack it in...

Out of the three, Electricians seem to have the most job opportunities.  My job, for example, is about 50% electrician and 50% computer technician.

I would avoid computer tech, but only because it seems like anybody and everybody got into doing it when I came through, and now you have way too many people who can fix an iPhone but have no idea what's going on behind the outlet in the wall.

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BOK

Thanks, for the info

Thanks, for the info Benny.

Barry

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trainmaster247

Thanks all,

lots of good info here and the cost is definitely my biggest thought as well. So far i've heard back from on college but still have time to keep up with decisions and thoughts. As to being to harsh you've all been fine I prefer honest harsh feedback than nice fake ones.

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Michael Tondee

My experience always was that

My experience always was that not having the "piece of paper" to prove my almost lifetime of practical knowledge in electronics made it harder on me. I made a bad decision and dropped out of college many years ago. I was lucky enough to have a fellow ham radio operator who owned a TV repair shop take me on based on practical knowledge and that's how I got my foot in the door and worked in the electronics industry for many years but not having said, "useless degree" was a detriment to me at first. Not trying to be argumentative with anyone, just saying my experience was different.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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