feldman718

I guess you guys are tired of hearing from me since no one bothers to respond or comment on any of the things I've written lately, but I do need to apout or sound off occassionally so here goes.

I went to club meeting yesterday and found certain things have to get done by April 2012. The most important of them is to finally get my N-Trak module built. It is going to be a hrd job  only because I do not have woodworking tools or experience necessary to do the job. However I do know that there are members who are interested in helping. One of the club members has a complete woodshop in his basement and I know he can get the necessary wood for me and cut  it as well. I do have the N-Trak manual which gives the necessary dimensions and specs. I do need to get ahold of him and that is the hard part since he travels alot especially to football games and the like. But I can reach him by email and I think that is how I will do it. I do have something that I thought might do it as far as a table top is comcerbed but after showing it to one of the otrher club members it turns out it may be too large in that it 4 feet by 30" rather than 4 feet by 2 feet. Oh, well.

In any case this module is supposed to feature intermodal transfers of containers between trains, trucks and ships. At thi/s point I have gathered many of the things the module will need to make it look good. I have containers, double stack cars (10 to be exact) and some other stuff. i even have an old Revell T-2 tanker kit which I plan to turn into a small container ship since many were converted from the 1960s from T-2 and T-3 tankers and P4 type troopships. Of course the Revell model is aproximately 1/400 scale so it is aproxiamtely 1/3 the size of waht a real in 1/160 scale would be. I know it could lend forced persoective to the module but since one can never be sure what it will be attached to it might be a waste of time. Besides who wants to create 1/3 N scale containers? (Rhetorical question so don't feel compelled to answer )

I do have a design in my head but I need to get some help in deciding track spacing so I can determine where to put the three track loading/unloading yard and where to place the the lifting units so that they can run down the track and move the containers from and to the double stacks/trailers. Obviously I have design in my head and I also have the Walther's MiJacks needed. I had originally wanted to do something witha car ferry but I don't want to build the three or four modules that would require.  I also don't have the space or capability of transporting more than one module at this point in time since my wife's mnivanis off limits and she has already converted it into a self-propelled, wheeled filing cabinet,  Don't ask me how, because I can't tell you.

So what about the Hudson and Hartford, well besides working on the design of the 4 track self-propelled car floats (I really should call them ferries since that what they have evolved into.) I've been playing with track diagrams. I haven't gotten anywhere near completing them as alot is going to depend  on the final car ferry design at the float bridge end of the layout since that will determine just how far apart the tracks will be since I need to have room for yards to hold freight cars witing to go back to New Jersey and handle the freight cars that come off the ferries and to make up trains bund for Oak Point Yard in the Bronx. I know This could have been done by now but I like to plan stuff out once rather than change it every time I find something that will make the operation easier and simpler. I realize that something will come up anyway but better to take the time to reduce the likelihood.

I also discovered something new from Fast Tracks that should simplify the job of laying flex track. These things are called sweep sticks and they really work very well since they will let you form constant diameter curves which hereto fore took lots of practice and measuring. These Sweep Sticks come in straight and curved versions for many different scales. In my case I bought N-Scale straight sections, 17.5" and 18.75" curved versions.

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 I'm surprise that Tim Warris hasn't advertised them yet. They work by fitting between the rails of the flextrack to either keep them straight or put a curve into them and allow you to fasten them down with push pins while the glue you are using to dry. Ive experimented with them and rthey work very nicely.

Irv

 

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dfandrews

article reference for ideas

Irv,

I recall that Robert Smaus authored an article in Model Railroader a few years ago showing a bit of an intermodal port terminal.  He had just enough details to show each component of what you would find there. The background included a 3/4-on picture of a container ship, that really set the scene.  I found that I didn't really focus of the ship, but that it set up the scene in the foreground very well.

If I find the article, I'll post the month/year.  I believe it could provide some "stirring of the cranium" for ideas.

 

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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feldman718

article reference

Thanks, Don, I appreciate it.

My thinking in terms of the N-Track module I have to build I don' want to go overboard on it so I don't think it's worth doin much in the way od selective compression on it nor to include any forced perspective views as it is ment to be used as part of an N-Trak set up. I dOn't know if you've seen any of thse but they rarely have matching modules unless the same person has built them. It makes sebse there but it won't where I am only going to build one module at this point. I know the modules the club has access to and they don't necessariy complete the scene my module my do best in, but that is the nature of N-Trak.

Irv

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dfandrews

N-trak interfaces

Irv,

I started in N-scale about 1975 (and still have an N-trak manual photocopy that came directly from Jim Fitzgerald) so, yes, been there, done that.   Are the standard modules still 2 feet wide, and 4, 6, or 8 feet long?

I am in complete agreement that the disparity between adjacent modules can really detract from what you do on your own module.  (Just imagine:  port facility with water to the right edge, then a mountain logging line module right next door.  Maybe in Britsh Columbia! )

On the modules I built, I tried to focus the viewer's attention into the center of the module, with some sort of generic edge:  either rolling scenery with a tree or two at the edge, or scenery height climbing slightly to a vision break such as a building with no windows on the adjacent module side or a masonite edge painted the same color as the fascia.

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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Cuyama

Smaus' LA Harbor HO module

Quote:

I recall that Robert Smaus authored an article in Model Railroader a few years ago showing a bit of an intermodal port terminal.

I wrote a bit about Bob Smaus' LA Harbor HO Module in my blog (the layout was featured in Model Railroader magazine from Dec 1990 to March 1991 and reprinted in 6 HO Model Railroads You Can Build).

Because Smaus' project was in HO, it was pretty cramped compared to what would be possible in one or more NTRAK modules. A simple Google search for "NTRAK Intermodal" yields some ideas. (If one is interested in actually building something.)

One example is Bernie Kempinski's Chase Marine Terminal ( a 4-foot NTRAK module). There have been many others.

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kcsphil1

It may be cramped in HO

But if Bryon will indulge me, I think it would work well in N scale.  Before I started designing my lyout to actually model Baton Rouge, La, I did some serious work refitting the track plan in nscale.  I'll dig around and see if I can present it here.

Irv,

I don't write much on your blog posts because, as a fellow N Scaler, I sympathize greatly but I have little to add to what you write.  I do look at how you are progressing and I am glad for each increment you manage to make.

Philip H. Chief Everything Officer Baton Rouge Southern Railroad, Mount Rainier Div.

"You can't just "Field of Dreams" it... not matter how James Earl Jones your voice is..." ~ my wife

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feldman718

I don't write much on your blog posts because, as a fellow N Scaler, I sympathize greatly but I have little to add to what you write.  I do look at how you are progressing and I am glad for each increment you manage to make<

Philip, it wasn't meant as criticism so please don't take it that way. I realize that N-Scalers have to hang together and that we all have our own particular load to carry. I write about mine sometimes to excess but since I haven't been attendibg club meetings regularly since we got kicked out of or club rooms at the former NAS primarily because we no longer have a place to run trains on a regular basis. The Nature Center where we now meet can't provide us with aplace wher we can keep the modules safe and sound all of the time but still its better than nothing I suppose.

Our next meeting is on December 12, 2010 and the following week we have show scheduled there in case anyone is interested.

Irv

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feldman718

I'll have to talk about this to Bernie.

I have his books about layout building and the steel industry. Both made interesting reading. I don't recall him having written anything about this. Of course my memory could be playing tricks on me as well. Oh well, 62 may not be old in this day and age but I am certainly no spring chicken any more.

Irv

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Russ Bellinis

Irv, I wouldn't worry about a ship being the wrong size.

You may need to install larger details to get it to look like n-scale, but when I worked in the Los Angeles Harbor for a small terminal company that serviced 6 or so steam ship lines (actually diesel powered ships, but they still called them "steamship lines") we had everything from huge container ships and Ro-ro (roll on roll off) shops to fairly small frieghters that had been converted to containers.  These smaller ships carried booms on deck between hatches to unload containers at small south sea islands that didn't have container cranes on the dock!  It has been almost 20 years since I worked there, but I seem to remember ships in the neighborhood of 200 feet long coming into the port!

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Cuyama

Web Page

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I don't recall him having written anything about this.

You mean, besides the text on the web page I linked to? There's quite a bit there.

I think Bernie also wrote this up as an article for N Scale Magazine some years ago, but I don't recall exactly. And I'm not sure there's a lot more in that article that's not on the web page.

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feldman718

Wrong size ship

I'm not worried about that at all. What I was worried about was the capacity of the 16" hull in terms of containers. I'll have to experiment with that especially when you consider that this is actually a tanker model with an amidships steering and cabins. I need to show a photo of the kit. here so I'll try to get that in later.

Irv

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feldman718

I printed out the article ...

I printed out the article and wil read it over the next day or so. I am sure its got some good ideas in it but you need to know that while Bernies track plan uses the red blue and yellow tracks that go at the front of the model he has made no provision for a green line that runs along the back of all Brooklyn N Trak modules and that is a requirement which must be included in all new modules. I had originally tried to avoid any complications it might cause by elevating it on to ffind it isn't workable in a four foot long module. It would require at least two and that makes it impractical. Of course I could use the standard N Trak practice of lowering the water and not raising the track.

Irv

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dfandrews

bury the green

Irv,

Maybe you could run the green line through the hull of the ship, and just conceal the entry and exit points!

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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Russ Bellinis

How about the green line running through the backdrop?

I think you might be able to run the green line behind a building or trees into an openning in the backdrop and bring it out on the other end of your module the same way.  In other words make the green line disappear as it goes through your module, and reappear on the next module.

Irv, regarding the ship, don't worry about the cabin being amidship.  Many of those older, smaller container ships that stopped at the terminal I worked at were what would be called "tramp steamers."  They often had the cabin either near midship, or just slightly aft of mid ship.  They would have containers on both ends.  One other trick to use is 20 foot containers.  Just as a train with 20 40 foot cars looks longer than one with 10 85 foot cars, a small ship loaded with 20 foot containers will look bigger than the same ship loaded with 40 foot containers.

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feldman718

Not a good idea

Nope. I thought about that and it isn't good idea as it isn't an LST.

Irv

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feldman718

Double Stack Containers cars

At the present moment my double stacks are designed to handle 48 foot containers. It would have been great if they were for 53 footers but those are first coming out now, I also don't have any 20 foot containers so I'llhave to get some if I go that route.

I'll have t do sometrhing with the green line I just am not sure what at this point.

Irv

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