ray schofield

Message forwarded from John Nehrich

The RPI club layout is one of the finest layouts in America. I hope this goes well
and doesn't become a tragedy. I've operated regularly on the layout for several years
and I've been visiting it for almost 30 years, and it has just gotten better and better
over time. And it had regular participation of RPI students too. The twice yearly
operating sessions attracted at least 40 people at a time including many RPI alumni.



Hi, I'm trying to send out this info to all our active club members and supporters but in my rush, I'm sure I'm overlooking many - please spread the word and for anyone who hears about this only secondhand, I sincerely apologize.

We have just gotten word that shortly, perhaps a few weeks, a professional mover is going to come in and crate up sections of the layout, along with everything else, and move them out of Davison.  These will either be stored in a warehouse or if we are lucky, moved to a new permanent home.  The school wants to rehab Davison over the summer with all new plumbing, etc., but wants the layout now.  At first when they were talking about this, they were figuring they would totally box in the layout to protect it from swinging pipes around, but they would have to remove the backdrop and build us a whole new one.  On reconsideration, they figured it would be better to move us instead.

So where?  Barb Nelson, who used to work at RPI in space allocation, is now the Executive Director of TAP Inc. (Troy Architectural Program) and wants very much for us to move to some place where the layout can readily be seen by the public.  She is very sympathetic to our needs and attuned to the entire downtown building boom.  She thinks there may be some appropriate space downtown opening up.  Many developers are having a hard time filling their first floor with retailers, and she sees the layout as generating a lot of foot traffic.  We don’t have anything definite yet.  If it does, our role might change, whether we stay a part of RPI, be a collaboration with say the county historical society, become totally independent, or who knows what.  We know one important consideration no matter what would be to ensure this is a permanent home.

Or we have been talking about a new building, a simple (and thus cheap) steel shell building on a concrete pad floor somewhere on RPI property.

For years and years, we have looked at moving to an existing location in an unused space, but we take up far more room than people think.  And if we were to move into J Building or Winslow, even if we fit – we don’t – it would cost so much to remove walls, etc.  But now we are talking about a prime location, not a spare attic or unused basement.

Please spread the word to EVERYONE you can think of.  Massive amounts of publicity are needed, and soon, both word-of-mouth and professional media.  In this way, we may reach some wealthy benefactor, or even just convince the school the importance of not letting us wither away in storage.  We will be looking into some type of go-fund-me campaign, hopefully in conjunction say with a local historical group.  (We probably can’t do it under RPI without stepping on some toes).

The contract to move us has yet to be signed, but they are aiming for a few weeks.  Then we will know the timetable but it likely to be soon after.  Once we have a definite date, we are hopeful of holding one last operating session.  If you know of individuals who need to see the layout, I can set up an individual tour - it may be now or never.    

  - John Nehrich

 
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Grenzer47

Now that’s a bummer

This has to be possibly my all time favorite layout, certainly in the top very few. It seemed like such an institution that it was safely permanent, always serving as a flagship of the hobby, a gold standard. But a person should remember that nothing made by man is permanent.

Hopefully something good will come out of this. It seemed the existing setting had it’s problems too so maybe this move is a blessing in disguise. It would be great if a new setting that allowed public viewing was found. For many years I had planned a pilgrimage out to Troy to see this in person but it was closed to all public access several years ago. Who knows, maybe we’ll all get a chance yet.

Good luck Berkshire Lines!

Barry P.

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Nick Santo amsnick

Maybe not so bad!

I’ve always wanted to see the layout.  It would be a short trip for me when I’m home.  

The move might mean that the layout is refreshed and placed where it could be enjoyed by more people.  

I saw my first LASER dot on the wall at RPI and quite a few hockey games there.  I’m sure the engineers and model engineers can come up with a good solution to the problem.

My only caution would be that developers only have one thing in mind.  A building of your own, as proposed, will probably stand the test of time better.

Good luck.

Nick

Nick

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Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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Michael Tondee

Historcic layout

I hope and pray for a good solution. I grew up with this layout as great inspiration, right along with the incomparable Gorre and Daphetid.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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ray schofield

financial and political issues

At last falls Optoberfest, John Nehrich lamented the schools issues. RPI was considered a great school, but things

have changed. RPI may have issues more than the layout.Hopefully it will survive along with the layout. The best hope would be it's own permanent building as John mentioned

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Rick Sutton

I hope that it is for the best

I've been there and have many distinct memories of a wonderful visit. Only one memory was less than glowing and that was of the physical space that housed the layout. Dark and very claustrophobic. That actually surprised me.

A better space would let that layout jump a level in quality and bring it to the forefront of the the hobby again. It really deserves that.

 Fingers crossed.

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marcfo68

How to be vague, use

How to be vague, use acronyms  : RPI  ?

Having been in the model railroad hobby for quite sometime, I will assume this is Rensselaer. 

If not I have no idea who you are talking about based on an acronym.

Marc

 

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peter-f

Take care NOW to document and (as needed) preserve

​I have wanted to visit several times, as I get to the Capital Region on occasion... guess I'll be out of luck now for a good long while.

Think of yourselves as O. Winston Link.... take good photos... take Too Many Photos.

Think also of what Is reusable and what (i.e., solenoid switch machines) is near obsolete.  Decide what is removable and keep it.

Secure the property with video surveillance (sadly needed, as this is an opportunity for theft like few other).

Find the nearby alumni and members to catalogue and pack what can be moved... twist RPIs arm for secure storage.   

For all this and whatever the future holds, my wishes for all things good.

Hope my luck improves, and that you'll have a new showpiece soon.

- regards

Peter

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Chuck P

If you type those three letters into Google

RPI

The very first hit is "Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute"

HO - Western New York - 1987 era
"When your memories are greater than your dreams, joy will begin to fade."
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Photo Bud

I Think the Point Is

we shouldn't have to use Google to determine definitions without context. Although many abbreviations are well known in the model railroading environs (DCC, NP, GTW, GN, etc.), I think it is only courteous when using lesser known initials or abbreviations to parenthetically expand or describe such terms.

BTW - I DID google it and it was what I expected.

Bud (aka John), The Old Curmudgeon

Fan of Northern Pacific and the Rock Island

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ray schofield

Sorry

I guess it is an engineering thing  MIT, WPI, CIT, RPI WIT as well as others are usually understood in the engineering world. I also thought theb MR community would immediately know it. 

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Michael Tondee

I knew it but I'm not real

I knew it but I'm not real sure of the pronunciation of Rensselaer!

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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Russ Bellinis

Is there a possibility of a model railroad museum like San Diego

If there is a possibility of starting a model railroad museum in the area like San Diego, it might insure the ongoing life of the layout.  Balboa park in San Diego was purpose built for the Pan Am Exposition in the early 1900's.  It is home to many museums.  If the San Diego Zoo, which is walking distance from Balboa park, is excluded, the Model Railroad Museum is the most popular attraction in Balboa Park.  

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AlanR

Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, or RPI, in Troy, New York. Fabulous school on a compact campus.  Has (or had) many extracurricular activities for the students and a strong student union - at least in 1986 when I graduated with my B.Arch (Bachelors of Architecture).

For the record "Rensselaer" is pronounced "Ren" "Cell" "Ear", but more easily "AR" "PEE" "EYE"!  

Alan Rice

Amherst Belt Lines / Amherst Railway Society, Inc.

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Grenzer47

If I remember correctly

RPI was America’s first school of civil engineering. If not first it was certainly one of the earliest. Prior to that there had only been schools of military engineering, primarily West Point. In fact most of America’s first railway engineers  were West Point grads. My favorite amoung them was George Washington Whistler (yes, “Whistler’s Father”), a fascinating man from a fascinating family. Herman Haupt was another luminary of primeval railroad construction. Abe Lincoln himself had seen some of Haupt’s handywork and commented, “Why that man Haupt has constructed a railroad bridge out of nothing but corn stalks and bean poles !”

Railroad history is a hobby in itself that to me really enriches modeling and railfanning.

Barry P.

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Harmony Hermit

Updates?

Any current info on this?

 

Having worked on two large club layouts that were torn down I can empathize with the RPI folks. The layout is one of the most influential in the hobby. I last visited in the mid 90's and hope to visit the new layout when they do move to new Quarters. 

 

The best solution is to have your own building that is owned by the club. Other long time clubs have done this, the New York Society of Model Engineers and The Model Railroad Club in New Jersey come to mind. Renting space is a recipe for eventual disaster. Clubs getting evicted is becoming a regular occurrence.

 

If you cannot swing your own space, build the club in freemo type modules that can be disassembled and moved quickly. 

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billgill4

The layout is in the process

The layout is in the process of being disassembled and everything packed up. Because the Rensselaer Model Railroad Society is a student club at RPI, the first choice would be moving to another location on campus. Other possibilities are being discussed. 

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westXsouthwest

Steel building

I had experience occupying a 50x100 ft building. It was pole shed construction on concrete pad with metal sheated exterior. The interior was clear span which allowed total freedom of arrangement. Walls fully insulated; drywalled; HVAC mounted above ceiling. Very inexpensive to build.

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Grenzer47

Will it Remain an RPI Student Organiztion?

It just occurred to me that if the Berkshire Lines end up off-campus and self-supporting will it still maintain it’s RPI affiliation? It could certainly improve it’s financial situation by not depending on students and what alumni  remain members. Of course becoming an independent club introduces a whole new political invirorment and atmosphere.

I’ll be following this closely. Perhaps I’ll have a chance to fill a bit more of my bucket list yet.

Barry P.

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Photo Bud

Found New Home!

Announced today.

https://news.rpi.edu/content/2019/03/20/renowned-rensselaer-model-railroad-move-publicly-accessible-location?fbclid=IwAR0aiK38RtlnKKnuBlQJaLpU9Bm2XDAF6ImdicVxtP9CqF6P9shPvh_oal0

Bud (aka John), The Old Curmudgeon

Fan of Northern Pacific and the Rock Island

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laming

NEB&W

That's very good news.

I would sure like to see more of the layout in the modeling media. It's been ages since I've seen more recent pictures of it.

Andre

Kansas City & Gulf: Ozark Subdivision, Autumn of 1964
 
The "Mainline To The Gulf!"
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Rick Sutton

Good news

Sure is nice to get some good news. Thanks Bud.

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Nick Santo amsnick

Woo Hoo!!!

Thanks for the heads up Bud!

Great news!!!!  I’m looking forward to a visit again!

Congratulations to the perpetrators and helpers for another job well done!

Nick 

Nick

https://nixtrainz.com/ Home of the Decoder Buddy

Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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Station Agent

NEB&W on TMTV

Quote:

I would sure like to see more of the layout in the modeling media. It's been ages since I've seen more recent pictures of it.

Andre

 The layout was featured on TrainMasters TV in 2014.

https://trainmasters.tv/videos/2014-04-2-tmtv-apr-2014-edition-act-ii

Barry Silverthorn

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GNNPNUT

Outstanding news!

Glad to hear that the University recognizes the quality and reputation of this fine group.  Lets hope for continued participitation of the next generation of model railroaders!

Regards,

GNNPNUT

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