Acuransx15

I received a very nice brass steam locomotive from a special friend a few years ago for Christmas. It's an LIRR-inspired G-5 4-6-0 and it's the first brass engine I've ever owned. Therefore, I am ignorant to the type of maintenance it requires and am rather apprehensive to jump into any type of service project without some community advice.

I would like to clean up the outer shell of the locomotive so that I can showcase it in my newly ordered display case, but I don't know where to start. The model's finish is pretty dull and it has weird tarnish colors and brown/green marks on it. Overall, I would like to liven it up. I don't necessarily want it super-polished. I have some pictures of the model in its current state below.

Just as a disclaimer--I'm not a brass collector and do not intend to be, so I don't care if cleaning the engine will hurt its value. This engine is special to me and it would be even more so if it was all cleaned up and handsome looking.

My questions to the MRH community are: What's the best way to clean a brass engine? What materials or tools are involved? Do I have to disassemble the model before cleaning? Do hobby shops or anyone else offer brass cleaning services? 

I thank everyone in advance that takes the time to help me out with these questions. Happy New Year!!!

Nick

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Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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Moe line

Vinegar

I don't remember where I read it, but I think ordinary household vinegar and a soft brush will clean the brass. Some unpainted brass locomotives had a clear coat of laquer on them, while others were bare brass. Some actually had a brass colored paint on the locomotive, to hide the solder discoloration that could not be disguised any other way. If the vinegar works, you will probably want to spray the locomotive with a clear coat of acrylic in order to prevent the brass from tarnishing again. Hopefully others on here will also have some ideas. Jim.

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efehser

Cleaning

Vinegar will work, or a baking soda and water solution. However both are meant more as a pre-paint cleaner. A lot of what you see is the natural oxidation of brass and the only real way past that is polishing. For any of the above you will want to remove the mechanism and be careful of small parts.

I would inquire at your hobby shop if anyone does painting. That is a very detailed model that would look very nice with a good paint job, but that decision is yours.

Eric

Eric

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CarterM999

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Acuransx15

Thanks for the help!

Thanks so much, Eric, Carter, and Jim! I'll try the vinegar first and then work from there with your other suggestions. I appreciate all of your help.

Nick

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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peter-f

please note:. both methods use acids

You need to remove any residue when finished. Also, I recently found out that HD sells vinegar at high concentration.... 25pct, instead of grocery store 5pct. It may be an online only item. You'd be close to muriatic acid strength at this concentration. I'd also investigate videos and instructions from MicroMark.... They have several products to treat metals, an I'd suspect cleaning brass is right up their wheelhouse.
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Peter

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Bernd

Sand Blasting

Not so much using silica sand but baking soda in a "Air Eraser" such as Micro Mark sells or something similar.

https://www.micromark.com/MicroLux-Mini-Sandblast-Gun-Set

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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peter-f

and a bit more info

To give you a start, I followed MicroMarks product back to get usage info. "The JAX Instant Brass & Copper Cleaner only removes tarnish and oxidation. To ensure the best results, clean your metal of all lacquer, oil, grease and wax. JAX manufactures metal cleaners that are optimal for prepping your metal, but there is no one cleaner that will guarantee perfection. Your choice of cleaner depends on what you are trying to remove from your metal. Regardless of what you use to clean your metal, we recommend using Dawn Dishwashing Liquid as the final step before applying the JAX Instant Brass & Copper Cleaner." So, first, remove oils and grease (finger prints) Then use Dawn, the brass cleaner of your choice, and neutralize the result with water. Dry it before water can restart the tarnishing process. The internet can be your friend... but it's much like a library where the books are on the floor, unbound!
- regards

Peter

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k9wrangler

Any updates?

Just curious if the original poster tried any of these suggestions and how did it turn out?

I’m currently preparing to clean up a brass locomotive that is in similar condition.  I intend to paint the model once cleaned up.

Thanks in advance.

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CandOfan

most comprehensive

IMHO the most comprehensive way to do this is to disassemble and sandblast right before painting. It (usually) is not that difficult, although you do have to be careful as most brass models have some pretty tiny screws. It is easy to have one bounce away!

In my experience the liquid methods don't get all of the paint or lacquer off. Many (most?) brass models have a golden lacquer, and some (many?) are applied pretty thickly. This makes it even more difficult for a pure liquid method to get the model completely clean.

My current project is a brass loco I bought for a song, mostly because the previous owner had bought it used and simply couldn't get all of the paint off. He got most of it off, but it was in the steps, under a screen, stuck along the sides of the handrails, etc. I use an "air eraser" which looks a LOT like an airbrush, but which has a different tip and a bigger gravity-feed bottle for the grit.

Unfortunately, if you have just one model to do, this may not be a very efficient job. The air eraser costs maybe $45-50, but you need a place to do the job and you don't want to breathe the grit. This basically means you need some kind of a blast cabinet. If you buy one, it will run at least $75 and really nice, fully assembled ones can run as much as $300. I have a whole fleet of brass locos and cabeese to redo, so I didn't mind the investment.

I will mention that if you're into this redecorating thing, the blasting is not limited to brass models. The liquid methods often don't get plastic models completely clear either. I do a fair amount of repainting, and these days I soak plastic models in alcohol to get most of the paint off. It usually don't get everything off, so after I take a toothbrush to the plastic to get most of it off, I use the air eraser to clean up the remainder. That's a quickie job usually.

One more thing: the air eraser helps greatly with the delrin handrails that come on some diesels. Most paint doesn't like to stick to that material, but after a quick treatment with the blaster, the surface is a lot more paint-friendly.

Modeling the C&O in Virginia in 1943, 1927 and 1918

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