railandsail

I changed my avatar yesterday, and everything finally went thru OK.

Today I find it has reverted back to the older one?

And when i tried to reload the new one it did not work??

Brian

1) First Ideas: Help Designing Dbl-Deck Plan in Dedicated Shed
2) Next Idea: Another Interesting Trackplan to Consider
3) Final Plan: Trans-Continental Connector

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railandsail

And just now it loaded the

And just now it loaded the new one???

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vggrek

you can't substitute an

you can't substitute an avatar with one less irresistible

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Dave.S58

Cache refresh

I just did a cache refresh on Win 10 ( Ctrl + F5 ) and your new avatar is there.

DaveS

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joef

Here is your picture

Okay, when I look at your avatar file on our server, I see this ...

ure-9770.jpg 

And when I flush the browser cache on my machine (do a forced flush), I see this image.

Soooo .... if you're seeing something else, you're seeing what's in local browser cache. The image on our server is correct.

You need to do a FORCE REFRESH on Firefox (that's your browser, correct?) ...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-clear-firefox-cache

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railandsail

Old Avatar AGAIN

Just now that old avatar appeared AGAIN....!!

Thanks for your instructions Joe, but I didn't think I was going to have to become so computer literate just to browse websites.  I'm unsure of what selections to make in deleting history so i don't set myself up for CONTINUOUSLY reloading passwords to get back in?? (I get real sick of this request to reload passwords)

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railandsail

Another New Twist, http or https

I like to watch a particular MSNBC programs that I can live stream (not on my low level cable subscription). but just recently it claims it can't download them for me, or it encounters some sort of problem loading them. (this is all on another laptop I use for just this sole purpose).
 

i seem to have detected that it makes a difference if i try to connect to http or https.
Does that make sense?

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vggrek

You will not lose anything of

You will not lose anything of passwords or sites preferences. First of all logout from the forum.

Press ctrl shift del and check all options except the site preferences. Also in time range choose everything. 
​You aren't afraid to change your avatar, but to delete browser's history.  
If you don't want to do the above, change to the old avatar and everything will be ok.
Mercy, we see it.

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joef

One other thing you can do ...

Brian, one other thing you can do is trust us -- WE all see your new avatar. If you don't do *anything* eventually your current browser cache will time out and you will see your new avatar eventually. The problem is simple -- one little tiny picture isn't enough to make YOUR browser think anything has changed, so it's pulling the old avatar out of your local cache, NOT from our server. Meanwhile, everyone else is seeing your new avatar. You can just wait and your local machine cache will eventually get stale and be updated. OR you can decide you're going to tell your browser who is boss and FORCE it to do a server round trip to update your local cache. It's that simple. If you're afraid to learn how to do a force refresh, then just wait. You local cache will expire and you will finally see the new avatar the rest of us are now seeing.

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Rick Sutton

Brian

I have been seeing your old one also. Didn't care to refresh cache so out of curiosity I went to another browser and the new avatar was there (Chrome). Went back to my regular browser (Safari) and to my surprise the new one is there now. Seems to be a cache that runs on top of the browser specific one? I'm probably way off base but try different browsers and see if it starts showing up. I'm on a Mac so it may be Mac specific?

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railandsail

so it's pulling the old

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so it's pulling the old avatar out of your local cache, NOT from our server. Meanwhile, everyone else is seeing your new avatar.

You can just wait and your local machine cache will eventually get stale and be updated. OR you can decide you're going to tell your browser who is boss and FORCE it to do a server round trip to update your local cache. It's that simple.

Joe Fugate

This new computer world is a mysterious thing,...wonderful, but mysterious.

I thought shutting down my computer (rather than hibernation)  would solve this, but apparently it has a long memory.

Thanks for being tolerate of me, and my frustrations with this computer world
 

 

 

 

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vggrek

This new computer world is a

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This new computer world is a mysterious thing,...wonderful, but mysterious

because you are looking at it from the outside. btw the sea is incomparably more wonderful, mysterious, dangerous etc. i suppose you are getting in. 

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railandsail

the Sea

I was getting in the sea for a large number of years,...not so much now
http://www.RunningTideYachts.com

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railandsail

Who's Boss?

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You can just wait and your local machine cache will eventually get stale and be updated. OR you can decide you're going to tell your browser who is boss and FORCE it to do a server round trip to update your local cache. It's that simple.

If you're afraid to learn how to do a force refresh, then just wait. You local cache will expire and you will finally see the new avatar the rest of us are now seeing.

Joe Fugate​

So this morning I decided to tell my computer who was BOSS. I went to history and told the computer to eliminate ALL of the Firefox cache,...(figured I get this thing cleaned up)
 

At first everything seemed to load up much more quickly,   BUT
1) I've had to reload a number of passwords in sites I visited (thought it was not suppose to screw around with passwords?)

2) I have a number of sites that will NOT load at all,...times out trying to do so. I can't even load my boating website, nor the boating forum it is hosted on. (runningtideyachts.com) (boatdesign.net)

3) I tried a number of my other 'favorites' and it will not load them?

4) I even switched over to IE browser, and that worked intermediately as well??

I'm beginning to think this was a bad idea, and/or maybe I should have tried to use some other 'cleaner'??

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joef

Sounds like you overdid it

Sounds like you overdid it, Brian. There are check boxes that let you just clear browsing cache or clear passwords and cookies too. Sounds like you didn’t uncheck the clear passwords and cookies check box. As for some websites not coming up at all, that’s not a problem with you clearing your cache. Your Firefox instance has much deeper problems, sounds like. If you intend to keep using Firefox you need to get some computer savvy neighbor, coworker, or relative to help you. Or just give up on Firefox.

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Jim at BSME

In the future

All you need to do on windows version 7, firefox version 60.1.0esr (and as far as I know all other versions), is to hold down the shift key to force the browser to reload the page from the site/server, thus updating the cache.

If you want to actually clear the cache and only the cache you need to open the Options menu, click Privacy & Security, click Clear History, click the down arrow next to Details and uncheck everything except Cache. You will also want to change the time range to Everything to clear out the entire cache.

I tried both runningtideyachts.com and boatdesign.net, both loaded successfully.

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I thought shutting down my computer (rather than hibernation)  would solve this, but apparently it has a long memory.

The cache for each browser resides as files on your hard drive and the way to clear the cache is the have the browser do it, the shutdown and restart of the Operating System will not delete files the Operating System does not use directly. The broswer cache files are used and controlled by the broswers an applicaton that runs on top of the Operating System.

Overall it sounds like you have network connetivity issues if you can not reach websites that you have in the past.

- Jim B.
Baltimore Society of Model Engineers, Estd. 1932
O & HO Scale model railroading
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vggrek

Brian, you are asking for

Brian, you are asking for help but you don't listen. 
What you did?
You said you are using Firefox.
I wrote CTRL SHIFT DEL and uncheck the site preferences. anyway the loss of the site preferences don't affects passwords. BTW i'm doing this all the time.
I'm not aware of a such easy way to accidentaly delete the saved passwords.
Did you do this on Chrome? Chrome popup window has the option to delete the passwords.
In firefox check
OPTIONS -> privacy & security -> saved logins
Is it empty?

Your pc seems like a revolver with the hammer cocked back and the trigger can be any time pushed under the weight of the dust. You have learn more about how to backup and restore your vital data.

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railandsail

Overdone?

I got the impression that I could NOT overdo the cache clearing? When I google 'Firefox, clear cache' i got instructions to chose 'history button', and it gave me the option to 'clear history'.

Automatically I got a list with 7 items listed. Five (5) of those items were already prechecked,..
1) Browsing & Download History
2) Forms & Search History
3) Cookies
4) Cache
5) Active Logins

Then it ask for a time range, and i chose 'Everything'

I assumed this was the normal practice to clear the entire cache ( I truly don't understand the language of these computers these days).

So what has me confused is why I can access some websites that i use to,... yet some of them  'time out' before they can connect??

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joef

Your browser must be corrupted

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So what has me confused is why I can access some websites that i use to,... yet some of them 'time out' before they can connect??

Your browser must be corrupted, and it's unlikely a simple cache flush would cause that. Sounds like you have bigger problems with Firefox and you'll need a computer savvy person to figure out how to fix them. Or you can just give up on Firefox since its install is clearly corrupted.

If a different browser connects to these sites just fine, then Firefox is bad broke.

If no browser connects to these sites now, you've got some corruption in your web modem firewall that's blocking these sites -- to fix that you need to talk to your web service provider.

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vggrek

yes, it is a normal

yes, it is a normal practice. 
you haven't delete any saved info related to the login in sites, with that you have done. 


the place with the saved logins (OPTIONS -> privacy & security -> saved logins) is empty? if no then everything is ok. 

can you find in the saved logins list the sites you can't login?

if you have been logged in sites for an eternity (strange) and you didn't save the login data then after cleaning the active logins, you got loged out. this is not  a fault of the procedure.

 

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/968928

If you clear cookies then websites won't remember you anymore and you need to login once again.

You will still have the passwords in the Profile Manager if you have saved them.

  • Tools> Options> Security: Passwords: "Saved Passwords"> "Show Passwords"

 

 

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Bill Brillinger

And... Reboot your router and modem

Reboot your router and modem. Routers often have various caches built into them too and that may be affecting your ability to visit certain websites.

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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Jim at BSME

Options

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I got the impression that I could NOT overdo the cache clearing? When I google 'Firefox, clear cache' i got instructions to chose 'history button', and it gave me the option to 'clear history'.

Automatically I got a list with 7 items listed. Five (5) of those items were already prechecked,..
1) Browsing & Download History
2) Forms & Search History
3) Cookies
4) Cache
5) Active Logins

Then it ask for a time range, and i chose 'Everything'

I assumed this was the normal practice to clear the entire cache ( I truly don't understand the language of these computers these days).

So what has me confused is why I can access some websites that i use to,... yet some of them 'time out' before they can connect??

Cache is only one of the five items, you could have unchecked the rest to only clear the cache. The remaining items have nothing to do with the cache, but do affect browsing.

1) is the history of sites you have visited and the list of files you have downloaded

2) is text you have entered into online forms and your search bar

3) cookies are small files that contain things like site preferences, page last visited, shopping cart data - really almost anything the web service provider cares to store about your visit to their web site on your computer that will fit in 4093 bytes.

4) is the cache were websites store files (web pages, images) locally on your computer. If no changes have been made on the website the browser can use the local cached copy instead of downloading it again, speeds up browsing by not having to download everything again. This can cause problems as you experienced when the browser doesn't know the cached copy of a file (your avatar in this case) is not out of date and uses the local file instead of downloading that file from the website you are viewing.

5) Active Logins are for sites that remember you are logged in when on a login page and you click the option to stay logged in. This will not erase passwords, but will require you login again when you visit a site where you were previously logged in.

If you can test accessing the websites with Internet Explorer that would be useful as well to prove it is a problem with firefox or your internet access.

Because of the strangeness you are experiencing I would power cycle (reboot) your router and/or modem as Bill suggests. First make sure no one is using the internet, streaming videos (watching netflix) so you don't upset them as you loose all internet connectivity when you reboot the router and modem. Also without knowing what kind of internet service you have makes it hard to say if you have one or two boxes or more to power cycle.

So as Joe suggests trying to find someone local to you who is computer/internet savvy would be best.

When you power cycle the box(es) leave them off for 30 seconds to a minute for your Internet Service Provider to realize you have dropped off the network to give you new good information. Depending on whether you have one box router/modem combined or two separate boxes will depend on how you reboot those. You do not have to do anything with your TV set top boxes they are separate from the router/modem boxes. If you have two, a cable modem and a separate router/wireless access point, turn them both off then turn on the modem first and give it a minute to boot, then turn on the router and give it time to boot before you try to access a website.

If this doesn't help you may have to call your internet provider for help.

If you want more help here I really feel it would be useful to know what version of windows you are using and what version of firefox you have.

- Jim B.
Baltimore Society of Model Engineers, Estd. 1932
O & HO Scale model railroading
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railandsail

Rebooted Router and Modem

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Bill Brillinger

Reboot your router and modem. Routers often have various caches built into them too and that may be affecting your ability to visit certain websites.

- Bill

I did this late last night, and then this morning I was able to access a few other sites that were not letting me in earilier,...(specifically one other model rr site, Model Railroader forums).

But I am still unable to access my own boat website, nor the boating forum that host it. I also tried to access it with IE browser and that was unsuccessful as well?

Couple of weeks ago I met a somewhat local fellow that seemed to be very knowledgeable about this computer stuff. I think I will give him a call and see if he is available this weekend, or whenever..

Luckily he has some interest in model trains, and told me he once was considering going to work for Broadway Ltd located about 35 miles south of me.

I've got to get rid of these nagging computer problems, and get back to working on my track plan, as well as installing my 'metal benchwork' and staging area decks.

 

 

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Jim at BSME

Another thought

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But I am still unable to access my own boat website, nor the boating forum that host it. I also tried to access it with IE browser and that was unsuccessful as well?

Hmm, try the complete address for your boating sites: http://runningtideyachts.com/, and https://www.boatdesign.net/, if these work that would indicate the browsing history that got deleted was helping you get to these sites. Although with both IE and firefox not working sounds like something on that computer is messed up.

If you have another computer, tablet, or smartphone that is connected to your home network and you can access these sites ok that would narrow the problem to that computer you are using.

- Jim B.
Baltimore Society of Model Engineers, Estd. 1932
O & HO Scale model railroading
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