Query...

Ingalls was a ship builder, which makes it even more interesting to me that they built locos as well, but I have always wondered if they used nautical terms for their locos... (like starboard, and port, or bow and stern)

I wish I could help with your question... the only Ingalls I built, is a Box Cab, and I used Digitrax (because I could get the right sound project for it, and no other sound decoder had it)

There might be a mailing list for that...

I'd subscribe to Andy Harmon's Diesel List and ask that question.
Subscribe:< mailto: diesels@gp30.com ?subject=subscribe

I believe that one of the gentlemen on the list actually may have run the locomotive in question.

And The Engine Maker Was....

Superior!   And they are still in business

Second diesel spotters guide, page 378.  An inline 8 not a V8.

< http://www.oocities.org/wbd641/SuperiorDiesels.html>  Couldn't find the original  It looked better with pictures.

It was a turbo inline 8 model 65.  12.5 x 15 at 660 rpm.

A Baldwin turbo 8 would make a good stand in sound.  ESU number 73480 is a Baldwin 608A.  Tsunami has the sound too, and I guess others.

You might consider an ALCO 539T sound but that is only a six.  The Baldwin would be closer.

Superior also had a model 40 used all over the world in smaller locomotives.  Many were used by Whitcomb.

The big 2000HP A1A unit Ingalls offered would have had a model 80 with 14.5 x 15 at 660 rpm.

All three series were inline 6 & 8 with or without turbo.

Lots of Confusion

I've seen lots of conflicting reports regarding the 4-S locomotive's engine.  Some reports (like Wikipedia) claim it used a V8 engine rated at 1650 HP (1500 HP available for the traction motors).  Others reports say that the engine was a straight 8 (rather than a V8).  And yet other sources say it used the Superior 65-LX-6, which is an inline 6 cylinder engine rated at 1500 HP at 700 RPM.  But most sources say the engine in the 4-S was only turning at 660 RPM, which would derate that power rating.  About the only thing that everyone seems to agree on is that the engine was turbocharged.

So, who do you believe???

well

Superior never made a v8 that size. Everything I've seen points to an 8 cylinder model 65.  But ben wrong before.

The Internet as the Source

TC, my comment was not directed at you, but merely the confusion out there on the internet as to what indeed powered the 4-S.  The problem is who knows what source has it right (and I take anything on Wikipedia with a grain of salt)?

I think it's highly unlikely that someone has a recording of the 4-S.  And the same engine in a marine application is very likely going to sound very different than a locomotive.  So one can only make an assumption of what the engine sounded like.  I agree that the Baldwin would be a good guess for the substitute.

The Internet....

Is very questionable.  That brochure and other such first sources is our best bet.  Marketing of course makes its own mistakes

Maybe someday records from Ingalls will surface.  One can only hope.

Here's one report

Here's one report I got on it.

It was a Seymour-Mackintosh prime mover. The loco was built by a ship builder, hence the marine engine. I  conversed with an engineer that had operated this locomotive. He said the closest sound to this loco would be a  Baldwin road engine with a LOT of supercharger sound. Said it drove him crazy...

This loco could really lug a lot of cars. A "story" has been told that the yard crew at the Jackson, TN yard wanted to see how much it would pull, so they coupled it to all the cars in the yard & proceeded to pull them all up the hill.

Dave Beidle

Looks like I am going to use the Soundtraxx TSU-2200 Baldwin decoder with the 608A Turbo making the noise.

My friend has three of these so I am going to set one up first before doing the other two.

I Rest My Case

(Throwing hat in air) Wow!  Yet another claim, this time a different engine builder!  It's amazing how so many stories are out there . . . which to follow?

The only common consensus seems to be to use the Baldwin sound recording as likely the best simulation.  It's unlikely that any of your friend's friends are going to dispute the sound 

It would be interesting to see that ugly beast rumbling down the track while hearing a throaty roar.

Here's the shell

Here's the shell while I'm working on the guts on the bench.

Shell Looks Good

Tim, the shell looks pretty good.  What decoder have you finally decided on?  You'll have to make a video of the finished beast rumbling down the track!

FWIW: If the Ingalls prime

FWIW:

If the Ingalls prime mover was a McIntosh-Seymour product, (naturally aspirated or turbo charged?) then the closest candidate would be a one of Alco sound chip sets for same. IF there are turbo/non turbo chips available so you can follow suit with the appropriate sound.

As I recall, the Baldwin switch engines used prime movers based on the De La Vergne inline engines.

Though I've been around both Baldwin switchers and McIntosh-Seymour powered locomotives... it was so long ago (several decades) I can't mentally recall the differences between the sounds of the prime movers. The old Baldwin's I can still hear their sound in my mind's ear, but I can't recall with any detail the M&S sounds.

Andre

Superior

ditto on Mr Chatfield's comment

He may be blind but he can sure hear good....lol  (heya Scott)

Not forgotten!

Many RL and other things have gotten in the way of a quick finish to this project. Finally got back on it this weekend and am now waiting for delivery of some tower LEDs for the lighting.

I'll post more pictures on what I did to the insides when I can.

Here's a few

Here's a few more photos of the 4-S decoder install. Note the different ways I had to do the LEDs to get them to fit.

Second model in a different paint scheme will be coming up soon and I will try to take better pictures on what I did to isolate the motor when I do it.

Nice model

Cool model, nice work, strangely attractive locomotive, like a BL2 on steroids.

Superior Diesel

Back to work

Back to work on the rest of my friends Ingalls 4-S locos. There will be more pictures to come since I made sure to take some of what had to be removed to make these brass engines DCC compatible.

Here is a link to the history

Here is a link to the history of Superior Engine, formerly a division of National Supply Co.  Purchased by White Engine Co, then Cooper Engine.  Withdrew from Marine diesels in the early 1970s.

https://www.gasenginemagazine.com/company-history/oil-field-engine-news-june-2004

Regards,

GNNPNUT

Updating

I am doing the 5th one of these locos! This time though I am using different leds and even lighting the marker/classification lamps on the corners of the shell.

I will post pictures and notes as I go along.

Ingalls Prime Movers

SEEMS I POSTED THIS STUFF BEFORE BUT THE LINK CHANGED. 

I do not know were the V engine myth got started.  The model 40 diesels were used in locomotives built by Whitcomb and others.  My info comes from advertisements at the time.  My source for this was a site by Will Davis now lost to geocities  The mention at https://sbiii.com/rr1.html#superior also leads to the geocities site.  I found the site using the wayback machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20091028022748/http://www.geocities.com/wbd641/locomotives1.html

Ingalls Shipbuilding offered 5 models using 'Superior' inline 6 and inline 8 model 65 diesels.  They had 12.5" x 15" cylinders except the largest one at 2000HP was 14.5" bore.  The prime movers turned over at 660 rpm top speed and all were turbocharged but one.  Only built 1 locomotive as a demonstrator.  Sold it later to GM&O.

As no one has a sound file I would use a turbo 8 Baldwin like from an AS16.  They had a top rpm of 625, and 12.75" x 15.5" cylinders.  QSI and SoundTraxx are your only choices that I know of.

brochure

https://www.oocities.org/wbd641/SuperiorDiesels.html