kleaverjr

For those who were former proto-freelancer's, who now model an actual Prototype realize, as do others, there are many issues that one creates when proto-freelancing.  One of those is finding approrpiate Layout Design Elements that fits into the "big picture" one is trying to portray.  In this case, I am having issues with determining what businesses and industries for the railroad to serve. 

The Pennsylvania & Allegheny Railroad (Layout) is set in 1953, in Western PA.  It's Northern Terminus, where it connects with the NYC (who owns the P&A, while the P&A is independently operated, like the P&LE) is just outside of Erie PA.  The mainline proceeds south towards Pittsburgh.  Approximately 27 miles northeast, along the Allegheny River, there is a WYE where ther P&A mainline splits, with the Pittsburgh Branch proceeds along the Allegheny River and ends at the 43rd St. Yard in Pittsburgh.  The other mainline proceeds southeast, and eventually follows the former South Pennsylvania Railroad right of way, and ends in Harrisburg. 

On the modeled portion, which is from Erie to Pittsburgh, and from the WYE to just northwest of Sommerset, PA, there will be some Coal Mine customers, but along the Allegheny River, I don't see where there would be that much coal production.  So what do I to have local customers for the local, which I do want on the layout.  If this was a grainger railroad, then grain elevators would be all over the place.  But here in western PA, where Coal is King, I am not sure what other customers there would be.  The obvioius Freight House and Team Track spurs come to mind.  But i'm looking for more variety.  Most of the structures I have (like from the Walthers Cornerstone series, or the DPM kits) are multi-story and belong in cities, not small towns in Appalachia.  The occasioinal siding for woodchip loading and wood pulp log loading is about all i can think of.  I could add coal/oil dealers, but that would only be for modeling them, they really wouldn't be served since I'm modeling the Summer, where demand for oil and coal would be extremely low.   There will also be creameries, but that wouldn't be served by the local (it would be served by the daily milk train).   I suppose I could push things, and have cattle farms that would require spurs to load the cattle in cars to send to the city (like Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, or Buffalo via the NYC) because there are several cattle farms in WNY, and the terrain in northwest PA is similar to WNY.  So, i'm rambling a bit here, i'm just sharing my thoughts and I hope that some of you have some feedback with some ideas, or resources where I might find what else I could include in terms of customers for the P&A.  I've looked at books of the area i'm modeling (mostly on the PRR since the P&A follows, in part the PRR mainline that actually existed) and except for the major cities (like Pittsburgh) there weren't mamy customers along the mainline, at least not shown in the books I have.

Thanks for any help.

Ken L.

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Russ Bellinis

You described the line, but I'm not sure what you are modeling.

Are you going to model the line into Pittsburgh?  If so, I would think you would need at least one power plant to receive coal.  There were steel mills around Buffalo, N.Y., but I don't know if they extended into Western Pa.  There are also a lot of Chemical companies in Western N.Y. and Southern Ontario.  Again, I don't know if the Chemical companies built into Western Pa.  If you are modeling a rail line out in the country, and not modeling any part of the cities, I'm not sure what industries you would have besides coal, and perhaps some oil wells.  I'm not sure where the Pa oil wells were.

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kleaverjr

Looking for Customers out in the Country....

I plan on modeling several industries in the downtown Pittsburgh area to keep local yard crews busy.  I'm even considering modeling a part of Erie, PA, so i can have other heavy industries and big businesses to model and serve.  It's more along the mainline, especially along the Allegheny River that i'm trying to come up ideas for.  I just was hoping to add a little variety, since it will get a bit boring if the only thing the local is switiching is a Team Track and Freight House, and the occasional woodchip/pulpwood loading spur. 

Ken L.

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Define your ROW and link towns

Ken,

Have you defined what towns your railroad will pass through? If so, why not cherry-pick the industries that were there. For instance, Meadville, PA was a big tool & die center in the 1950s. Many companies shipped out specialty equipment and refurbished equipment to the big steel mills in Youngstown, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Warren and Corry had several interesting industries, as did the Oil City & Titusville areas. Greenville, PA was home to a small steel company that also built freight cars. Sharon and Mercer, PA also had steel-based industries. Note these towns are almost all north of present-day Interstate 80.

Define your route town by town and pick up the local industries. Yes, nearly all decent towns had a freight house, team track, and such, but by your time period these services were not what they used to be.

I recommend you consider one major idea in your planning as it can be a blueprint that you could pick and choose details from. Look closely at the Bessemer & Lake Erie line that connected PGH with Erie, PA and Conneaut, OH. Consider repurposing the B&LE as your freelanced P&A. You have the route, the towns, the industries, and lots of background material available in a few books. Rather than stitching together a new fabric from raw data, reuse and repurpose a prototype line to fit your desires. Sure, make a connection over to the coal fields of Somerset and on to Harrisburg. Why not? I'm sure Andrew Carnegie could have had similar thoughts when he first plotted the original railroads that became the B&LE.

Eric

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kleaverjr

Any recommendations?

I've gone through books that cover most of the actual ROW that i'm using.  From Franklin, PA to Pittsburgh I'm using the old Allegheny Valley Rwy ROW (which becomes a part of the PRR mainline that runs along the east bank of the Allegheny River) From Franklin, PA to Erie, PA,  So far, all I can find is interchanges with other railroads and pictures passing by stations and freight houses, no other businesses. Though I'm sure there are other books, I don't have the resources to buy every book on the PRR in the region.  My internet searches have failed as well because I dont' seem to be able to use the correct terms to find what I need.  Once I know what links to go to, I am all set, but it's finding those links that is a severe challenge for me.  I either come up with "no results" or so many thousands or results, with most of them irrelevant to my search! :-\

For the other parts of the P&A mainline, I "beat" the Erie RR for it's mainline from Franklin, PA to Meadville, PA (thanks for the basic infor on Meadville) - I have yet to find a book that focuses on that specific part of the Erie RR mainline for the time period i am modeling).  From that point north, i have recently began to debate what I am going to do.  I originally had the P&A have it's own new Right of Way that parrallels the B&LE and PRR running along a creek/river that I have as of yet been unable to identify but it runs almost due north from Meadville.  But I am reconsidering having the P&A investors able to acquire the Right of Way that the PRR uses from Union City PA to Dock Jct, PA. I need to do more study of that specific line.  The reason is though I am proto-freelancing, which allows me some artistic license, if I am using an existing ROW, I want to keep true as much as possible to the profile of that ROW.  In other words, if I want a helper grade, with tall viaducts crossing wide valley's, I'm hesitant to use an existing ROW that never had those features.  If I create my own ROW for a part of the P&A mainline, I can choose more "challenging" terrain for the ROW, and include those features.

For the section of mainline from the WYE to the Sommerset, PA area, i'm following, in part the north bank of the Kissimiski (sp?) River (part of the PRR Conemaugh Division).  That's only a part of it though, the other parts has to be totally fabricated to reach the South Pennsylvania RR ROW. 

So that gives a bit more background.  Thanks for the info you have provided already! 

Ken L.

 

 

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