Kirk W kirkifer

I was digging through an old box of parts and found some Detail Associates radial trucks. The package said it was for EMD SD-60s and 70s. That really piqued my interest because I did not know that SD-60s had radial trucks.

Well, look what I found...

Obviously, it's an old demonstrator. Did any railroads ever buy the SD-60 with the radial trucks or is this one of the few?

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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blindog10

ex-EMDX 3....

If memory serves. It was not built that way. EMD modified it to test design before putting the SD70 into production. Later it was part of the Oakway pool on BN/BNSF to replace an SD60 that was wrecked. Perhaps the 9041. So it was the only regular SD60 on radial trucks. I think the only other SD60-family locos on radial trucks were the BN/EMD SD60MACs. Scott Chatfield
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Kirk W kirkifer

Wow !!!

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locopicture.aspx?id=10673

Thanks for the info. It was the only engine that kept on popping up in a search and I guess now I know why. Supposedly the trucks under EMDX3 were a little shorter than production SD-70 trucks. So, that would be a truly unique modelling opportunity.

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Volker

SD60 and SD70 with same truck wheelbase

SD60 and SD70 both had a truck wheelbase of 13'-07''
Regards, Volker

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Kirk W kirkifer

2"

What I have read said they didn't change it much, something like 2". It had something to do with the difference between some of the original DC equipment and the new AC stuff.

Interestingly, supposedly, GE's Dash 8-40C still whooped up on even the SD60. As with most other models, the Dash 8 is almost all gone in 2017. Many of the SD60s are still around, albeit stored as surplus.

 

 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Kirk W kirkifer

Question regarding addressing

GMTX 9041 would be easy to address in DCC. If I painted this model as EMDX3, what would you make the decoder address? I mean the address 3 is default for every non-programmed decoder, so I would like to avoid that one.

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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JC Shall

333?

How about 333 (for x3)?

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blindog10

not all radials are the same

I don't have specific numbers handy, but the radial truck used under the early SD70s was different than the one used on the SD80MACs, SD90MACs, and the current family of SD70s (Aces, M-2s, etc). Working from memory (risky thing that), thd early version still had the offset center axle (2" outboard) and only used 42" wheels. The later version had no offset and usually has 45" wheels. Plus there's a non-radial ("rigid") version of that truck. Remember, EMD means "Every Model Different!" Scott Chatfield
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Kirk W kirkifer

333 ?

x3 = 333... Very creative.  I'll probably paint it as GMTX 9041, but that is not a bad idea!

GMTX 9041 definitely has 40" or 42" wheels. Funny you mention all those variations, Scott. As I was making the original post, I wondered if the trucks were the same on all models.

 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Rich_S

Trash 8's

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nterestingly, supposedly, GE's Dash 8-40C still whooped up on even the SD60. As with most other models, the Dash 8 is almost all gone in 2017. Many of the SD60s are still around, albeit stored as surplus.

Yes, most of the 8-40C's are gone, but the 8-40CW are doing just fine. Most on NS have been upgraded with the same FDL-16 found in the Dash 9's. The majority of the standard cab SD60's have been rebuilt into the SD60E with the Crescent Safety cab. The SD60M and SD60I's are also still on the roster out earning a living everyday.   

Cheers,

Rich S.

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Kirk W kirkifer

Oh, that's interesting...

I did not realize the CWs were still around. Not really having a favorite prototype, I thought I was going to have to start painting CN because they seem to run A LOT of Dash 8s. I have several old Railpower Dash 8 CWs. If anyone could tell me how to fix those terrible front windows, I would do it, for sure.

So the SD60s have been upgraded to AC or are they still DC with upgraded electronics to keep them from burning up? What about all of the old SD40-2s and all the other first and second gen EMDs? I understand AC can run with DC the problem comes in when there is a continual high amperage demand from continuous grades or these ridiculously long trains some railroads are running.

Back to the original post, does anyone know if GMTX 9041 is still around? I like those "one offs" and feel like it needs to be modeled on my railroad.

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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blindog10

Google can be your friend....

Googling "GMTX 9041" gets me quickly to rrpicturesarchive.net and under "other locos with this serial #" we find that she is now GMTX 9000 in a new and equally unique paint job. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4694609 Scott Chatfield
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Kirk W kirkifer

Well now, what do I do ???

That is cool !!! I just can't decide which paint job to do... GMTX9000 would be easier than 9041 if I could find the New England related details, but then that localizes the engine.

Searching for that engine, I did find a couple people commenting about how it was an SD70 because of the trucks.  Not true, so I think that gives a little more reason to model it. It would be a great talking point at an open house.

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Rich_S

EMD SD60

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So the SD60s have been upgraded to AC or are they still DC with upgraded electronics to keep them from burning up? What about all of the old SD40-2s and all the other first and second gen EMDs? I understand AC can run with DC the problem comes in when there is a continual high amperage demand from continuous grades or these ridiculously long trains some railroads are running.

The EMD SD60 Series have DC traction motors. There are 3 types of SD60 locmotives, SD60 with the standard cab, SD60M with the safety cab and SD60I also has the safety cab but includes some cab isolation. If you look on the short hood of the SD60I you'll notice a gap in the nose that has a rubber insolating piece in it, this was suppose to help reduce vibration in the cab. They say a photo is worth a thousand words, so here goes:

SD60 Standard Cab.

 

SD60I (Separation in short hood just behind sand box cover and in front of grab iron)

 

SD60M (No separation in short hood)

 

SD60E (Standard cab SD60's that have been converted to the Crescent safety cab)

 

Yes you can mix AC traction motor and DC traction motor locomotives now, because the DC traction motor locomotives have been equipped with traction motor protection panels.If the DC motor is stalled for too long a period of time, the panel will try to prevent harm to the motor.  

Cheers,

Rich S.

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