Half a Building

Perhaps I could get along fine with just half of that station (cut down the middle) sitting against the backdrop with the loco side of the station facing outward? That might be necessary if I want some number of tracks in the scene (both waiting locos and thru trains).

I hope to surround it in some way with a number of the Santa Fe engines I have (F7 sets, DL109 set, E6 set, PA's, and a couple of others,....also several SF steamers), and some SF passenger cars from Walthers. (at least 2 or 3 different ones at any one time.

Taller Structure

When I looked thru a number of imagines of the prototypical building in San Diego, I did notice that this model appears purposefully taller than real life, but still captures the 'Spanish styling' . Its taller presence will work well to NOT get hidden in the background of the trains.

Two Web References

I found these two references:

San Diego Depot (Mock-up)
http://atsf-surfline.blogspot.com/2014/07/san-diego-depot-mock-up.html
 

http://atsf-surfline.blogspot.com/2014/07/

Nice!

Been to the San Diego Depot many times! Once I was at Comic Con, and had to go pick someone up from there, so I ended up taking the trolley at around midnight (or just past) and the place is just so quiet, and interesting that late at night... there were maybe four people in the entire depot. I wish I'd have had my camera, because it would have been the perfect time to just take photos of every little detail of the station.

Walthers Cornerstone depot-freight house, stucco

Brian,

   Walthers does have a 'southwestern' stucco ATSF style kit that you can get with or without a freight house in their 'Cornerstone' line.  (Walthers Part # 933-2924)

   Might be a good starting point or reference structure?  Depending on room available....

Gary H.

Walther's laser cut model

Reply by cuyama on another forum,...

That's the Walthers LA Union Station model, modified to be narrower. Discontinued, could probably be found used.   Walthers Part # 933-3390
 

A plan to consider

In the Kalmbach book "Railroad Station Planbook" on page 84 there is a plan for a Spanish mission style station. It is from the Atlantic Coast Line in Florida but would not look out of place in Arizona or New Mexico.

Hiatoric American Buliding Survey

You might research the Library of Congress Histoic American Building Survey-   http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Santa+Fe+railroad&sp=3&co=hh

Lou in Utah

Reply by cuyama on another

The dimensions I am finding at the moment is ....
Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal -- Lasercut & Plastic Kit - Overall: 29 x 21-7/8 x 12"

So I guess that's 29" long, 21' wide, 12' tall?

What if it didn't have that bump out on the far side?...perhaps like this,...

Venture to guess what the width might be??
 

Dimensions

Can anyone lead me to some more exact dimension / footprint of the LAUPT station?
 

I would like to do a quick mock up for my planning of that area. I guess I can do some guesstimates, but it might be nice to have dimensions of the several models that have been built.

The kit or the real thing?

Issue #100 June 2018 has a superb article on LAUPT by Victor Roseman. Check it out.

issue of What?

issue of What?

Issue of what

Yup, it’s a stumper.  Here on the website of a model railroad magazine, someone refers to an article in the 6/18 issue.  What could they possibly be referring to?

http://mrhpub.com/2018-06-jun/online/

Article

OK, OK, I found the article

http://mrhpub.com/2018-06-jun/online/?page=220
 

It was more about the trains that made use of that station, rather then the design & photos of the station itself. But it was rather interesting the number of rr's that made use of that station.

I once had a book on LAUPT.

I loaned it to a guy and never got it back, but there is a book out there entirely focused on the LAUPT with dimensions and blueprints of the station.  It was in black and white and reasonably priced at the time.  I don't remember who wrote it or publisher info, and don't know if it is now out of print.  I wanted to model the LAUPT at one time until I realized how huge it was!

I would recommend that you take a look at the Fullerton, Ca station.  I have to leave for a wedding now, but will look for a pic of the Fullerton station when I return. 

Footprint of Walthers Kit

Someone found this footprint of the Walther's kit,...but as usual its NOT to scale, and is missing a lot of dimensions

I believe I saw some posting that indicated that Walthers had modified the true dimensions to make it a bit slimmer??

I may make up some dimensions myself,...to fit my space and orientation since I am NOT a rivet counter

Walthers did not modify true domensions to make it slimmer.

They miniaturized it.  The kit is probably less than 20% of the size of LAUPT, and that does not include the arrival & departure tracks behind the station.  LAUPT served Santa Fe, U.P, S.P. & Pacific Electric in it's heyday. 

Here are some pics of the Fullerton Station.

http://railfanlocations.weebly.com/fullerton-ca.html

http://www.scrmf.org/frpa/repro_order.html

https://local.yahoo.com/info-21099240-amtrak-fullerton?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9RnVsbGVydG9uK0NhLityYWlscm9hZCtzdGF0aW9uJm1rdD1lbi11cyZodHRwc21zbj0xJnBsdmFyPTAmcmVmaWc9ZWJjNTViMjgyM2NlNDk2OTljY2M5NzkzN2U5MmU0YzMmUEM9SENUUyZzcD0tMSZnaGM9MSZwcT1mdWxsZXJ0b24rY2EuK3JhaWxyb2FkK3N0YXRpb24mc2M9MS0zMCZxcz1uJnNrPSZjdmlkPWViYzU1YjI4MjNjZTQ5Njk5Y2NjOTc5MzdlOTJlNGMzJmZpcnN0PTExJkZPUk09UE9SRQ&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGk6djXzwbr2p0HqS1calelJnHmZyH0FKLCp252qo0KUq09bgurvXG3lrF99UYpzFWmsK3Cub8j9a-l7Kg8MjcNdokkerYXTeU-Y81_E2_PF4-Y5GWma_wFliLyablSPJdfpKjd6hen5VqcYDqIk7b7XxYBWmL_Xe28FUWfe9vEw

Looking for data

Though it would take a "field trip", I've noted that there is a source for all the architectural data regarding the station.

From the Pacific Coast Architectural Database

An archival collection, "Architectural drawings for design and construction of the Union Station, Los Angeles, 1910-1991," is located at the Getty Research Library, Los Angeles, CA 90049; the collection consists of: "A collection of roughly 6,500 blueprints, architectural drawings, sketches, and photographic documentation of the construction site of the Union Station in downtown Los Angeles made between 1932 and 1939. Includes: conceptual drawings; landscape drawings; sketches of exterior and interior views; detail drawings of architectural elements, materials and furniture; plumbing and electrical working drawings; landscape drawings; and photographic documentation of the construction site (mostly negatives and some small black-and-white prints)." (See OCLC WorldCat, accessed 08/20/2009.)

BTW, looking an an aerial view of the station, it appears Walthers left off part of it.

Another option for a Southwest station used by the Santa Fe would be to model the Union Station in Phoenix.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4444931,-112.0784232,3a,60y,224.15h,92.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shANr4pf5mNfD9udeqp2-oA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Linked Issue...

Thanks for the link for us lazy types!

Loved the Vic Roseman pics. I always enjoy looking at his work.

Also agree 100% with Joe's opinion about a helix! Had a tri-level with two separate helix (stacked on top of each other). Soon grew to detest the waiting/etc. Vowed then: If at ALL possible, never again!

Stayed true to my mind set and my current layout has ZERO helices in it.

Andre

If you are going to have a helix, I think I would

install some sort of video camera, or perhaps one of the security cameras with a screen on the bottom level adjacent to the helix to watch your trains come up the helix.  I would imagine that the video could be sent to a tablet mounted to the bench work either permanently or made removable.   The other option would be to put a series of leds that would be turned on by the train as the train passes perhaps with a map suggesting what the helix represents in the cross country trip.  Basically you want something so that you can see train movement while the train is out of sight in the helix.

Book on that station

This came as a suggestion from a very knowledgeable modeler

I ordered one of those books this morning.

that is the book that I was talking about,

but I had it in paperback.  

Quicky mock-up

A few days ago I was working on ideas for my container scene that is going to set adjacent to this station. I wanted to get a general idea of how large this station was going to be. I got out the 'footprint' images of Walthers and tried to approx the missing dimensions.

I started with those large windows/skylights,..
 

Then cut up up some scrap foam board I had,..
 

That tag of paper near the corner of the room is a small photo of the outdoor park area that will likely be made into some sort of view blocker for that curved track in the background.

The only height dimension I had to work with was that of the tower given by Walthers. I then had to guesstimate the roof height of the building itself. I think I got it too tall?

I threw in that extra window in the end of the building, feeling it was kind of missing something in that big blank end.

I'm also debating with myself as to whether to represent this side of the building as the back or the front?....working on those thoughts.

flipped train station around

I was playing with this 'image' this morning and decided to flip the station end-for-end. Regrettable I had not provided wall sides and windows for the backside of my mock-up. But I believe I like it this orientation better
 

I also moved my SF engine servicing building forward so the tracks go thru the building,.... and out the back

view block of some sort on left side of that station,...tall enough to hide a dbl-stack and auto cars
 

Perhaps a display piece outside that terminal for the passenger's memories,...an old time steam engine mixed into a 'park scene'.