Greg Williams GregW66

So, my Oscar arrived. I remember reading about the construction of Walthers passenger cars, particularly the shaping of the ends of the roof and using sanding sealer before painting the roof to get rid of wood grain. In the (very long) past I used model airplane dope to accomplish this. That is long gone for me so I am wondering what could be used now.

My search of the internet has revealed Minwax Sanding Sealer and Zinsser primer/sealer. The Minwax stuff is soap and water cleanup but the Zinsser stuff states it is a white tinted shellac. 

Wondering what others have used and any recommendations you might have.

GregW66

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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trainmaster247

Why would you want to use

Why would you want to use this on your oscar award? Sounds like it may damage it.

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Gary Yurgil

ACE Sanding Sealer

I just bought a quart can of this on sale at ACE for my old wood box car kits from the 50's/60's.  WAY more than I need, but the price was right.  Five bucks.

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Gary - HO wanabe

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Greg Williams GregW66

@Trainmaster247

The Walthers Oscar silly!

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Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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Patrick Stanley

The Purpose of Sanding Sealer

Is to fill in the grain, soft spots of wood so when: STAINED to give a more even coverage of stain, especially on softwoods like pine.

PAINTED: here again to seal out the wood grain. Apply one or two coats as needed with a light sanding after each coat. You should end up with a very smooth surface, that when painted, does not look like wood.

Zinser is a stain sealer, not a wood sealer. The sanding sealer, whether water based or solvent based, should do the same job. That's what your airplane dope did years ago. It was used to seal the paper on the wings to give a smooth finish to the wings and other surfaces of the plane.

Good luck on your build.

I cheated and found a newer plastic version at a flea market a couple of years ago.

Espee over Donner

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trainmaster247

The Walthers Oscar

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The Walthers Oscar silly!

 

I knew that just couldn't resist though

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ctxmf74

Do any model plane guys still build wooden kits?

I wonder what has replaced dope?   I think just about any sanding sealer would work , I've even just squirted thin ca on wood and let it soak in......DaveB

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Warflight

I have to say...

You ARE going to post pics when you're done, right?

(Still looking for Oscar and Piker myself...)

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35tac

Dope

Dope is still available. Google, Brodak Manufacturing & Distributing in Carmichaels, PA. Check out catalog at web site http://www.brodak.com. They have a dope paint system. Should have what you need.

Wayne

 

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Greg Williams GregW66

@Warflight

Yes, I will certainly post pics. Might take a while as I have another major project (non train related) due in about a month.

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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Warflight

Non-what now?

What's "non-Train Related" mean? I don't understand...

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Greg Williams GregW66

It's ALL about trains

Yes, Warflight, there are other things that take time other than trains. A sad fact but true!

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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Warflight

Building progress...

I have never built a craftsman kit... nor have I seen any videos, or photo essays on building a craftsman kit...

You should document the entire build, with lots of photos, and do an article about it! That would be REALLY cool, especially what with it being such a unique kit, with a unique interior to model!

I would five star the HELL out of such an article!

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Pelsea

Building craftsman kits

I documented a build of an FSM freight house recently. Here it is.

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Warflight

Oh yeah!

I followed that with GREAT interest... I should have specified by saying Craftsman car kit... (actually, it was your build that got me interested in craftsman kits, and wanting to try my hand at building an Oscar and Piker.... they seemed like a good jumping off point for a beginner)

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Alco_nut

Sanding sealer

Its been a while since used it but I used Scalecoat's sanding sealer in the past. I have some wood kits to work ond and will need some or somethings else to use on them.

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Warflight

Piker...

Someone just put up a piker... I wish I had the money to bid, but... alas... I say you should grab it too, so you have the set!

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Greg Williams GregW66

@Warflight

I just put a bid on the Piker. I have had a good look at the Oscar and am waffling on the interior. Part of me says forget it but then I think about the nostalgia part and think I might do it. Last night I spent a LONG time on the internet looking for paint. I need CPR Maroon for that and finding it reasonably priced with shipping is difficult. I wanted to use Scalecoat I as it is a solvent paint and I've always found that better for metal. The end railing is a bit damaged and I could do a repair but am wondering if I will scratch one out of brass wire. Again, there is the battle between what looks good and keeping the kit vintage. 

Lots to think about, a neat little project for fall to get me back into the swing of building a model. 

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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Warflight

You kinda have to...

Build the interior that is! That's half of the charm of the thing! So small, but so detailed! (plus the little jokes they put into the interior scenery)

I have four passenger cars right now that were Roundhouse kits... 50' Overton cars... everything about them is SO detailed, but, there is no interior, and it really bothers me seeing them run across the track... these empty, hollow boxes. Some day I want to make interiors, with some passengers, and lights... if I ever get the Oscar and Piker, I know it would break my heart to see them on a track as hollow little boxes.

If the devil is in the details, then model railroading is the devil, I tellz ya!

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Greg Williams GregW66

I'm convinced!

I'll not let the devil get the better of me! I'll do it!

I am thinking of scanning and colouring on the computer, then printing on cardstock, rather than colouring the paper they supply. I read that somewhere, now i can't remember where.

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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nursemedic97

Amazon

If you check Amazon, there's a dealer who has new old stock Aero Gloss sanding sealer available.

https://www.amazon.com/Midwest-71-4-Aerogloss-Sanding-Sealer/dp/B00866LTBO#customerReviews

Mike in CO

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arbe

Trucolor

has a Canadian Pacific Tuscan - TCP-113

http://trucolorpaint.com/products/paint/

I like their paints, don't know about availability in Canada.

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Chicago Yellowstone and Pacific Railroad     

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Warflight

Printing!

That is an excellent idea!

You know, in this world of 3d printers, and CriCut printers, and the like, I oft times forget how useful a colour printer can be with model railroading! (my inkjet photo printer has sat unused for close to five years now... I'll bet it needs new ink)

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Greg Williams GregW66

TruColor

I haven't found TruColor in Canada yet. I do have a US mailbox and have had some delivered there that I brought over myself without issue. I have yet to try it. I've done the same with Scalecoat I and that's what I've ordered as I have used Scalecoat I in the past and liked it very much. 

With regards to sanding sealer, I tried to find both a Minwax and Zinsser sanding sealer. The Minwax is water based and the Zinsser is shellac. I have to special order Minwax in and the Zinsser only comes in a gallon can and costs $80. It dawned on me that artists must use something to prep wood for painting and that has revealed some products that I can use simply by going to Michaels. Already have my 50% off coupon printed!

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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ctxmf74

 "I have to special order

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 "I have to special order Minwax in and the Zinsser only comes in a gallon can and costs $80. It dawned on me that artists must use something to prep wood for painting and that has revealed some products that I can use simply by going to Michaels."

Yeah, I wouldn't buy a large can of specialty sealer just to seal such a small car. Anything that soaks in a bit will do the job, even a spray can. You might have to spray and sand it more than once but since it's so small shouldn't take long. Just pick something that dries fast and spray or brush, or swab,, or even dip the car  , clear or color don't much matter as long as it dries fast(not linseed oil for example)....DaveB

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