DSteckler

When soldering rail joiners or feeder wires, I first use liquid flux on the area to be soldered.  Afterwards, is it necessary or advisable to use a toothbrush and some 70% isopropyl alcohol to clean the joint?

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Yaron Bandell ybandell

Hope you're liquid flux isn't acid flux

Don't use acid flux unless you want to ruin your track, use rosin core solder instead. Simply clean the area you want to solder with a piece of sand paper and then use a short burst of heat with your soldering iron and rosin core solder on the two surfaces to mate them. No need to clean the remainder of the rosin core flux. If you want to clean, a few wipes with a firm brush should suffice.
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Chris Palermo patentwriter

Yes

Advisable, yes; necessary, maybe, depending on the chemical composition of the flux. Non-corrosive fluxes exist, and you would have to determine if you are using one. This Wikipedia article has a useful table showing chemical codes for flux and properties of the material.

A useful test: Take two short sections of scrap track or rail, perhaps 2" long, join them with a rail joiner, apply flux and solder with your standard technique. Then put it in storage somewhere near the layout. Come Labor Day (or some other milestone months out), take a close look at the joint under strong light. It will show you what would have happened with no cleaning.

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joef

Or try the new no-clean soldering paste

Or you might try the new no-clean soldering paste, first made for use to solder SMD components to PC boards. It leaves very little, if any residue.

No Clean Lead Free Solder Paste 15 Grams 
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DSteckler

Not acid flux and it's 60-40

Not acid flux and it's 60-40 rosin-core solder I bought at my LHS. 

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DSteckler

Thanks!

Thanks for the recommendations, guys!

 

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ctxmf74

"Not acid flux and it's 60-40

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"Not acid flux and it's 60-40 rosin-core solder I bought at my LHS." 

 I find rosin core solder works fine without any addition flux, as Yaron said above , make sure the rail is clean, hit it with heat and touch the solder. If you want to wipe it afterwards just a bit of water on a paper towel should do the trick.....DaveB

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Michael Watson

No clean flux

Have you used this Joe ? It looks like it is very...thick ? I guess I guess I am spoiled by my flux flowing out of my needle oiler for control of placement and amount. Very few reviews on this product also. Maybe a toothpick application to control it ?

Michael

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Nelsonb111563

What I use

I purchased this at my local Lowes.  Works very well and it's non-corrosive.

Just a light cleaning is all that's needed.  I still use rosin core electronics solder as I find that the heat transfer is much faster than just the rosin core solder alone.

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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joef

Yep, used it

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Have you used this Joe ? It looks like it is very...thick ?

Yep, used it. It's like stiff sour cream. Here's some photos from my Run like a Dream: Trackwork book ...

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jeffshultz

Same stuff, bit cheaper

No Clean Lead Free Low Temperature Solder Paste 15 Grams 
by Hardware & Outdoor 
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Same company, same product, a couple bucks cheaper on sale.

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Pelsea

Clean up...

A certain amount of flux will be vaporized in the soldering process, so if you just use what is in the core, no cleaning is necesary. Extra flux is helpful if the rail has lost its shine, but it is easy to over do it. Any residual flux of any kind should be cleaned up, and alcohol is a good solvent for rosin based formulas. Flux is either fresh and sticky, and will attract junk, or burned and hard and will resist paint.

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DSteckler

Thanks again, guys!  You've

Thanks again, guys!  You've shared a lot of useful information.

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jimfitch

Yep, heard no acid flux on

Yep, heard no acid flux on electronic soldering all my life.  I always wondered what you would use it for; my dad had to solder plumbing pipes on a camping trailer when I was a kid because water froze in the pipes; maybe thats what it is used for?

I've always used Tix liquid flux for model RR soldering - mainly track - it works great and has a handy brush applicator built into the lid.

Cheers, Jim Fitch

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Jim Fitch
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J. Kluth

Fluxes for electrical applications

Rosin or resin fluxes are the original electrical/electronic flux.  They are mild heat activated acids, and the residue they leave is amber colored (or brown/black if overheated), and highly hydroscopic.  They can be cleaned with isopropyl alcohol and a stiff brush.  No-clean flux is a more modern flux which leaves a non-corrosive residue (typically a with a white powdery surface.)  This residue is difficult to remove, but does not corrode the connection.  It is hydroscopic, and on circuit boards can cause low impedance bridges between adjacent connections!  Water soluble flux is a newer type of flux, which produces a residue which can be removed with plain water.  Isopropyl alcohol is not useful for removing water soluble flux.   Most fluxes sold in hardware stores are intended for plumbing applications and are stronger acid formulations.  They will produce a residue inside the joint which will corrode the joint as current passes through it, and cause it to fail.  This can not be remedied by cleaning the joint.  If you stick to rosin core solder (the most common electrical solder) you should be OK.  If you want to try some of the more exotic techniques, check out the SRA solder website.  They have a wide variety of products and information. http://www.sra-solder.com/I am not affiliated with them in any way, other than an as a customer.

Always looking to learn,

Jay K.

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