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I'd like to scratchbuild telephone poles for my SP layout, but I can't find any suitable drawing on the internet. Can somebody help me?
Also, what material would you use?

Thanks

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bear creek

I've used Atlas phone poles.

I've used Atlas phone poles. I've cut off some of the cross arms and scraped the pole itself with a razor saw to bring out the 'grain'.

This picture shows the result (and the stupid injection molding circles I forgot to remove...)

 

Wood seems like a good material for a pole. But I think I'd go for styrene instead (after watching Joe's styrene trestle building demo. Sorry, I don't have dimensions but there was an article in (I think) Realistic Layouts about this stuff.

Are you planning on putt wires on the poles?

Cheers,

Charlie

 

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JaySmith

 Gonna be adding any wires to

Gonna be adding any wires to the poles?

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Mike Tricker

Scratch building telegraph poles

What happens to telegraph pole wires when you get to a long tunnel or bridge over a deep gorge say?

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BlueHillsCPR

Where do the poles go?

I just saw this answered by Joe I think, just the other day.

The poles typically follow the ground over the hill or down the gorge.  The only thing they can't do is go straight up or straight down.  Other than that they have to go underground or perhaps in urban subways etc, in a conduit in the concrete or on the wall of the tunnel.

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joef

Across a river ...

If the lines are going across a river, they tyically go across on the bridge somewhere, either in a pipe or on an arm with insulators. Look carefully in the photo below and you will see the angle brackets about half-way up the bridge holding up the cross arms with the telegraph wires.

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BlueHillsCPR

Across a river

Joe,

Thanks for posting that image.  I was wondering as I typed my response, what happens when the wires must cross water that is too wide to span with poles?

I hope those are just communication lines.  I'm not sure I would want to see 25KV high tension lines running along a steel bridge like that.   I assume power lines are kept in conduit?

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blowncylinder

That Bridge with the brackets...

 Joe; one thing we have here are two bridges where the wires simply get jammed into a 4" conduit pipe that goes at the roadbed level of the bridge---at least it is on the outside side of the thing----There is even one bridge that has the powerlines running along the top of the girders like caternary---

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chubber

Telegraph wires-where they go at a tunnel...

In response to where do telephone [UK - telegraph] wires go at a tunnel mouth, here is a model of UK practice, I'd have thought the same would apply in the US?

 

Doug

 

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la.484.sp

Telephone poles

First, while I admire anyone who is willing to do scratchbuilding, sometimes it is sort of reinventing the wheel. 

I wrote up some information a while back, and I am placing it here, so please forgive if this duplicates some of the other posts. 

There are three types of lineside poles, and their types gets kind of mixed up as the use has changed over the years. Probably the most common poles and lines were Telegraph poles. It is likely that the specs exist online, but I didn't go far enough to find them. Secondly, in more recent years, especially, telephone lines paralleled the train tracks. In some cases the telegraph poles probably carried phone lines- or at least railroad company phone lines. Consider that the right of way was already there between towns, and the Bell System, GTE or some small phone companies would only have to make an agreement, and probably pay a fee for the use of the strip of land for the poles.  Then there are power lines. In a number of areas, the power companies made use of the railroad ROW, and a few are very obvious. A Reading Company line out of suburban Philadellphia has huge steel poles straddling their tracks- These are also catenary supports, and was some kind of special arrangement with the railroad. On the former Boonton Branch of the Lackawanna, then Erie Lackawanna and I think still under the same branch name in New Jersey Transit, a few miles West of the Bergen Tunnels, catenary supports also hold power lines erected by the power company (Probably Public Service Electric and Gas of NJ)  so this gets a little complicated- but in general, most modelers want the poles that lned mile after mile of track all over the U.S.

Fortunately, telegraph poles were virtually identical with telephone poles. 

Now about reinventing the wheel- Walthers did a good job of showing what a lot of different poles look like in the instruction sheet they supply with their utility pole set.   http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3101  is a link directly to the description of this model. 

The product itself is interesting because it has the large insulatiors for power lines plus several variants of telephone and telegraph poles.  There are some large commercial power transformers and small ones included with several diagrams of typical installations. The poles are tapered- and this is a difficult and time consuming facet of scratchbuildng if you are putting line along your track.  There are several sizes of poles. This is also not an ad for Walthers- Power insulatiors I have seen were always deep red or black glazed ceramic. Telegraph lines (and probably phone lines as well) insulators were clear glass, green glass, or black ceramic. The clear colors can be simulated using silver for the clear or a mix of silver and green to make a metallic green which passes for the green glass.  The fact that these are not actually clear may not be satisfactory for some modelers, and there is a solution. Rix makes clear molded phone pole crossarms whch are to be painted leaving the insulators clear. Tamiya and other paint makers have clear green paint and a drop of this on a clear insulator looks exactly like a green glass insulator. Rix has several different sets of poles and crossarms available, including separate arms with insulators. The link is : http://rixproducts.com/6280031.htm

Not everyone wants to get too involved with the lineside detail of the Walthers and Rix sets, and the Atlas models, available for years and still at a low price, are excellent models. As suggested here, they can be easily modified. The HO set includes some extra details too, such as line boxes for crews to call in on company phone lines. They also have the poles in N scale.  A link to their site is: https://secure.atlasrr.com/mod1/searchresult.asp

The prototype poles have many, many variations but generally conform to standards. On Long Island Railroad are some unique power lines along the Babylon branch and some other locations, of metal lattacework, for example. Some roads had clearance problems and the crossarms extend on one side of the pole only. (Cut off one side of the crossarms) and in a lot of locations were single arms or double arms whcih are easily simulated by cutting off extra arms you don't need. 

Where I used to live, the lower portion of the pole in the ground and extending up to about a foot out of the soil was treated and as a result was black.  For various reasons, some poles had white stripes near the base. In New Jersey, some of these indicated a fire alarm box on the pole, and often there was a light farther up the pole.

A seldom modeled feature of utility poles, when placed along a road they held street lamps. The Walthers set has a number of dummy lamp arms that simulate this, and the Walthers line has operating moden lamp heads and arms that can be used on a phone pole with a little modification to simulate recent applications. (since the 1960s) . A link is: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2310

Turn on the radio and get out the sandpaper, with a bunch of dowels  you cut to length, and then sand them down to taper each one and you are on your way. (AC Moore, or other craft stores have them in bags, or Home Depot, Lowes or other household stores have them) I haven't found insulators anything as nice as the pre made ones, but you could turn them on your lathe from clear acrylic rod. If you cannot get a high spectral finish (if they are translucent instead of transparent, either a drop of Pro Weld or Tenax may clear up the finish, or possibly Future floor finish may work better.  For those who like to do casting,  turn a few of them and then cast them in clear polyester resin, which can be tinted green if you like.  

Stringing lines rates another book-length entry, but I had better leave that for another day. I hope this is of help. 

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Will_Annand

Osborn Models has Telephone

Osborn Models has Telephone poles in HO and N.

http://www.osbornmodelkits.com/N_scale_railroad.htm

They are wooden, so no scraping needed. add as many cross pieces as desired.

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pesojka

check Clover House

Clover House sells very nice poles in HO scale diameters of 7.5, 11, 13.5,19 and 24.5 inches.   http://cloverhouse.com/Store/index.php?cPath=43_45

They also sell glass beads that can be used as insulators.  The smallies is HO scale inches.   http://cloverhouse.com/Store/index.php?cPath=49_52

I have some of the poles and they are very nice.

 

Paul E. Sojka

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PAPat

Prototype Telephone/Telegraph photo

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I'm posting a picture of a telegraph/telephone pole I took this summer along an stretch of former Lehigh Valley track in the Lehigh Gorge area - eastern Pennsylvania.  Note that the pole was very short and does have the insulators described so well by another previous poster.  I was surprised by the height of the pole.

-bill

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baldwincp

telephone poles

A fellow modeler Michael Kocot taught me a trick to get the "glass look" for insulators.  I used the Atlas poles and cut the bottoms off etc.  I painted the insulators with flat white first, then painted them with Model Master burgundy red metallic and a metalic green.  It usually took two coats to get them to where I was happy with them.  Usually the brown and white insulators were used for the power for signals.

Gordon.

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UPWilly

One might wish to browse ...

... the following two articles in the MRH mags:

Modeling telephone poles Simple techniques for greater realism;

  by Bob Grech; Model Railroad Hobbyist Jul 2009 pg 51

Tips for modeling this common right-of-way detail in N scale;

  Improving and modifying out-of-the-box N scale utility poles;

  by John Drye; Model Railroad Hobbyist Jul 2011 pg 105
 

(Thank you, Rod Goodwin)

 

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Carroll

Telephone Poles

I'm glad to see that there are model railroaders that realize that a straight up and down telephone pole is a rarity not, the norm, along a railway, at least here in North America anyway.

Speaking of rarities, Rail yards on layouts shown in model rail magazines and others are all nice and bright and clean. Any rail yard I've saw is blackened oily fuel soaked cindered dirt. Water can't even soak into the ground but, that norm is a rarity on model rail yards.

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Barnz

Atlas Poles - add colored insulators

Hi Charles,

I too use the Atlas poles - cheap and easy to turn into great looking models.

I have experimented with Gallery Glass (clear and aqua and white - a plastic stained glass medium) and dollar store nail polish in green and blue - to color the insulators. The effect if great and allows you to use the existing (and properly shaped) insulators.

Cheers!

Tim

 

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Bruce Petrarca

If you model Alaska . . .

you want clear glass insulators. They don't get enough solar radiation at the northern latitudes to "green up" the insulators. The insulators, as I observed in August on the WP&YR, are still clear on the poles installed during WWII by the U. S. Army!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Jurgen Kleylein

tapered poles

I found the easiest way to get tapered poles was to stick a piece of appropriate diameter wooden dowel a little over twice the length of the poles you were trying to make into the chuck of a power drill.  Take some coarse sandpaper and wrap it around the middle of the pole with your hands (some work gloves are good for holding the sandpaper) and then start up the drill.  Work the sandpaper back and forth on the middle of the dowel while it is spinning until the middle is noticeably thinner than the ends.  Then you pull it out, cut it in half, and you have two tapered poles.  Just be careful, since the paper and dowel will get somewhat hot, and you may want to stop and let it cool from time to time.

I haven't actually used the poles to model telephone or utility poles, but rather made pole loads for flatcars and gondolas with them, but they ought to work well on scratchbuilt poles like are being discussed.

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