NMRA 75: The National Train Show Friday 7/16/2010 (Photo Heavy)

JeffShultz's picture

Okay, let's start with the photos that were inappropriate last night (because Athearn hadn't actually shown this stuff publically yet), but are fine now that the show is well and underway. I apologize for the poor photos - these are from a cell phone.

Incidentally, other than the green locomotive, we borrowed the other four temporarily and gave them the "Click 'n Spin" photo treatment. It may be sometime next week before they are up.

...and now, the news...

Athearn is showing pre-production prototype shells and chassis for completely new tooling Genesis GP9 models, including sound. Two of the versions shown include an SP light kit, with one of those being a commuter/passenger rail configuration where the air tanks are moved to the top of the long hood in a "torpedo" configuration to make room for the water tanks for the steam boiler.

Standard configuration with MU hoses and air hoses - the "giveaway" that this will be a Genesis level locomotive:

Straight up GP9 from the side:

SP lighting kit verison - with a different air filter:

SP Nose:

SP "Torpedo" nose view:

Here are all four of them together....wait a minute - what's that in the back?

Say hello to the locomotive that fully challenged the Alco C855 for the title of "Ugliest Locomotive Owned by the Union Pacific" - the GE U50:

Designed to fit over the current UP Turbine Chassis (and indeed, the original U50s incorporated the running gear from the turbines), the U50 had a nose only a mother or someone from Erie, PA could love:

And a last side view:

Larger photos are on my photo server at: http://www.shultzinfosystems.com/gallery159/view_album.php?set_albumName=NTS2010&page=18

Okay, onto the real Friday...

I woke up this morning and took a look out the hotel window and saw this down at the Amtrak/Greyhound station:

See that orange and purple in the middle, hooked to an Amfleet? That's Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Superdome #53, and coupled to it under the bridge is the Skytop Observation Car "Cedar Rapids." And today I was going to get to go into them not once, but twice....

The first time was for a business meeting with Walthers marketing - you might have noticed that they showed up on the MRH Sponsoring Advertisers list a couple of months ago - their first ad will be in the next issue. While we were in the Skytop....:

...with Michael Stevens, head of marketing for proprietary products (Walthers, LifeLike, Trainline, Proto, etc...) I was talking to Zach Thompson, who was the Group Product manager for LifeLike/Proto products. I was able to ask him one of the questions that the N Scaler's on the AtlasRR forums regarding Walther's support in continuing the N Scale lines that Life Like had just started prior to being bought out: "What can we expect in N Scale out of Walthers/LifeLike in the future, and if you are not planning on supporting it, are you open to selling the existing tooling?" His answer was that they indeed intended to support it, although he admitted that they had been trying to figure out it's proper place in the scheme of things (I'm paraphrasing heavily here). He did allow me to state that there will be two new N Scale locomotives released prior to the end of the year (please don't ask me what they are, I did promise not to say), and that the most reliable way to ensure more N Scale products from Walthers/LifeLike was to buy the current ones and demonstrate a market. I asked what it would take to convince Walthers/LifeLike to start creating "Name Trains" in N Scale the same as the ones in HO and again his response was simply to buy their current passenger car products. Some gentle lobbying included with those purchases couldn't hurt either.... but it boils down to tomorrows releases will be based on what sells today.

After that I interviewed Stacy Walthers Naffah (the first fourth generation Walthers to work there in a management position) out in front of the Superdome car. Hopefully we'll have that interview up next week - here is a still photo of us back at the convention:

Okay, most of the rest of the afternoon was spent running around the show looking for new and pre-release models to perform "Click n Spin" photography on - these included both the Athearn and Bachmann GP9s, the Athearn U50, Bar Mills "American Seltzer," the Bachman Birney Safety Car, RS3, and an On30 4-6-0 (IIRC), an AtlasO SW9 in Milwaukee Road, the new 4-bay coal hopper from Tangent, and I'm thinking probably a few other things. Near the end of the day we recruited one of our S Scale readers at the convention  to find something appropriate in that scale to photograph tomorrow and we'll get something in N Scale from Craig Martyn at BLMA as well. Then we'll have to hunt down somehing in Z Scale to get the whole set!

And then it was back down to the Hiawatha cars for a reception that Stacy had invited us to - once upon a time I was the only Army Sergeant E5 at a reception held on a military base in Germany. The next higher rank was my Air Force supervisor, an E7 Master Sergeant. Everyone else at the reception was a Colonel (O6), or a General (O7,O8) or their civilan equivalents. I didn't feel quite as out of place at this reception as I did that time, but there was a definite feeling of the surreal, of "don't they know I'm just a model railroader with a half-finished layout from Oregon?" in the air - as we walked to and into the car we ran into Tony Koester (NMRA Director, Model Railroader Columnist), and Andy Sperandeo (MR Senior Editor), and then into Didrik Voss (NMRA Standards and Conformance Director) here seen talking to Joe Fugate:

Other attendees included Steven Priest (editor of the NMRA Magazine (fmly Scale Rails), assorted Walthers family members, including Phil and Carole Walthers, various vendors and hobby shop owners, many of the Kalmbach staff, and friends of the Walthers family, including John Mellowes, owner of Charter Wire as well as the owner of an outstanding looking private passenger train painted in 20th Century Ltd colors (http://trainweb.org/passengercars/Indices/PV3.htm - scroll down to CMMW - Charter Wire). I'm told he's also quite the model railroader as well. It was a very eclectic mix.

View of the inside of the Superdome:

If more of America could experience this type of rail travel, I think we'd have a resurgence in passenger rail in the United States...

While I don't think there was an official guest of honor, I think this gentleman may have become one:

The gentleman with Carole Walthers and Stacy Naffah is Bob Keune, one of the original 1935 Charter Members of the NMRA along with William K. Walthers and Al Kalmbach. His Lifetime membership card notes that fact:

While his lifetime membership card # may be 292, it was generally agreed that his original membership number was probably in the low single digits. It was an honor just to hear him talking about the early days and why the NMRA was started.

We actually had to leave the party early, since we were expected at the Layout Design Special Interest Group (LD-SIG) banquet that night. This year it was held at Maders, a nearby German restaurant in Milwaukee, which meant that after being separated from German food since 1995 I was able to eat Sauerbraten, spatzle, German potato salad, and Hungarian Goulash to my heart's content... by the end of it both my heart and stomach were nicely contented. Byron Henderson,  the new editor of the Layout Design Journal and a contributor to MRH, delivered the keynote, which was centered around, of all things, Clint Eastwood films. You had to be there.

As a final bit of news, this morning the NMRA unveiled a new logo, denoting the fact that from now on the emphasis was going to be on the "NMRA.org" as a worldwide brand, instead of as the National Model Railroad Association. Included in this was the renaming of the NMRA members magazine from Scale Rails to simply NMRA Magazine. It was explained that this was similar to how the American Association for Retired People figured out that since everyone knew it as AARP anyway, that's the brand they should work to increase, including renaming Modern Maturity as AARP Magazine. Only time will tell if they're right. Below is a photo of the new logo, which does already have an uncomplimentary nickname - but I'll leave it up to you to find out what it is elsewhere. This is a family forum after all.

 

Comments

ndwolf68's picture

Another Org going with just letters????

Wow! Very nice report Jeff.  I thank you for letting us know what's going on.  While I can't make it there, you and the other MRH staff have made it feel like we're there!  Kudos to you all!

I must confess I'm perplexed at the NATIONAL Model Railroad Assocation's choice of "going modern", similar to what the YMCA just did, by droping their full name, to go with just an acronym moniker.  I think it would've been better to just drop the "National" from the name completely, since their goal is to push for a worldwide image.  NMRA will forever be known as the National Model Railroad Assocation, if they keep the N, at least until these next couple of generaions pass on (or lose their memory!).  With all the challenges that the hobby faces, this is what they chose to focus on?  A hipper name?  I am not feeling any more inclined to join up by a just a name change...

Again, thanks for the update and glad you're posting.

R/,

Norm

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marcoperforar's picture

The LD Journal reborn?

Byron Henderson,  the new editor of the Layout Design Journal  ...

Looking forward to the return of the journal!

German food?  Now I think of sausage, cheese, and bread, and if it isn't breakfast, beer, and for a special meal, wild boar!

Strange.   Why am I having thoughts of mammalry glands?

Mark Pierce

Walthers, Seems to be flushing "N" Scale.

I still see nothing new from Walthers that is worth the money.  I look at all the new HO cornerstone stuff and wish some of that would show up in "N" scale if it did I would buy it and have a place to use it but lets get down to the truth.  There are only a few good buildings in "N" scale from walthers and most have been in production for years, Years and YEARS!  Others out of production buildings were going for a bunch of money on e-bay at one time like Medusa Cement and R.J. Frost Cold Sorage  looks like walthers looked at this a put some back into production.

 Lets look at the modulars thing that walthers put out,  this could have been done with a modern theme too.  Square modern windows with out the arch and larger windows.  Dump the bricks most modern buildings are concrete. 

I have found I buy most my "N" scale stuff from Japan at this point.  Walthers is a dinosaur in "N" scale and needs to update it's line.  Most of the people that are younger care about Modern railroads not the steam era that the old people like (Who also will not buy "N" do to bad eye site.  This is claimed every time your told to go to HO).  For most old people into steam it's all about HO so if walthers did some real market research and look at what real "N" scale fans (Yound, Working with Less Space) are running you will find lots more modern stuff.  So why does walthers try and push the older stuff on us "N" scalers?  Is walthers just Lazy and not wanting to update of force people out of the hobbie or into HO?   

Also lets get some Cars and Trucks that are a little modern too.  If you can make this in HO why not make it in "N"?  for every 1 HO car you will need 4 in "N" scale.

This is what I seem to see and here in the "N" scale hobbie.

Eric G. Hall Gila Springs & Mesquite aka "GS&M"

Scarpia's picture

Marc

Marc, you love throwing out pictures, but boy that looks just like Kaysersberg......France. Where is it?
marcoperforar's picture

Weren't you told

There are only a few good buildings in "N" scale from walthers and most have been in production for years, Years and YEARS!

Weren't you made aware when choosing scales that HO had a much greater variety of models available compared to N, and conversely, the variety of models available in N-scale was limited?  Unfortunately, N-scale is not ideally suited for scratch building.  I have noticed, however, that several wood laser kitmakers are increasing N-scale versions of their products.  Typically, these makers' products aren't carried by Walthers.

Perhaps when N-scalers get older and increase per person disposable income allocated to model railroading, manufactuers will fill the increased demand for N-scale models.

Mark Pierce

marcoperforar's picture

Where is it?

A village (I forget the name) along the Rhine River in Germany, maybe 50 to 100 miles south of Cologne.  (The stream in the photo obviously isn't the Rhine, but it feeds it.)

A modern German "doodlebug" somewhere else in Germany (Koblenz?)..

Mark Pierce

Bremner's picture

About N Scale from Walthers....

The other gripe that the N Scale community has with Walthers is bang for the buck. In the last year, we get a bay window caboose from Athern that is incredible for under $30, and if it was made 10 years ago, to get the same quality, it would have been brass. This summer, Walthers announces that they are rolling out their North East caboose that rides high, has huge rivits, and lacks window glazing, and the MSRP is $24.95.....wow, where is the value in that? I can get an Atlas caboose with more correct paint an better detail for $13.....

As for Walthers telling us that we have to spend money for their involvement, they have taught us to wait. They roll out these loco's for the price of a new Atlas loco, then run a fire sale 6-12 months later for $30.....sounds like waiting is a GOOD thing for me! I went looking for an old Atlas U25B that was released in the 1990's, and I found some, for the SAME price that they were in the 1990's.

Walthers needs to look at the N Scale market a little better. If they were to put their loco's out for $60, run a slightly smaller batch, and refuse to fire-sale them, then the N Scale market would buy them better than we do now.

Kato's (1999) RS2's MSRP was $92.98....Walther's RS2's (2007) MSRP was $100, and Atlas'es run (2006) of RS3's,  $99.95.

And you wonder why Walther's can't sell N Scale without resorting to a fire sale?

Walthers N Marketing

Jeff, shame you were just there in a reporting capacity and couldn't push and probe as well as give criticism regarding Walthers' approach and thinking for N.

But, when the meet was in Phila the other year, a friend of mine spoke to their rep about HO items and was blown off.

So even if you had pressed, you'd would have made no impression.

We'll vote with our dollars. They'll either change their thinking or get new thinkers.

 

JaySmith's picture

Must have been some rush

Must have been some rush being inside those cars!  Did Walthers have the models of the new Broadway Limited there?

Jay Smith

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JeffShultz's picture

Broadway Limited

They've got some unpainted shells - I'll see if I can get them over for some photography.

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Jeff Shultz

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The Willamette & Pacific RR - Oregon Electric Branch

Model Railroad Hobbyist Technical Assistant


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