Rene Gourley renegourley

Perhaps there is no harder problem for railway modellers than shingles.  First of all, because we tend to have a bird's eye view, they are right up front and centre.  Secondly, it takes a team of workers about a week to re-roof even a modest building.  So, while you could install individual shingles, it will drive you cuckoo.  Even if you do install individual shingles, you'll never get them as straight as the real ones.

For decades, modellers have used strips of shingles, which are a great improvement over individual shingles, but still pretty tedious.  So, I was hoping that the Cricut would be able to solve this problem for me, and it seems that it will.

Shingles were the real reason why I developed the technique for clapboard siding that I used elsewhere on the roundhouse.  The universal response when I try to explain how I do the clapboard siding is one of perplexity: they know I'm not lying because they're holding the sample, but they can't imagine how it's done.  So, I've shot a series of photos demonstrating the shingles in the hope that you'll be able to take what I've done and improve on it.

I'm using three layers for shingles with a 6" reveal.  The prototype would only have effectively about two layers, but that would mean only a 3.5 mm strip in HO, cut half-way through; this would be too fragile to handle, I think.  So, I went with three layers, and it seems to work.

The shingles are cut in strips in each layer. The shapes at the ends of the rows enable the layers to nestle together. Note the numbers in the corners enable me to figure out the order of the layers.

The first step is to fold all the strips so they're perpendicular. This is easy to do if you start at the top and work down the page, flipping each row with a knife blade. Maybe people with long fingernails could use them, but I use a knife.

Next I stack the layers, being careful to get the strips in the right order. If there's a flaw, it is in the weight of the paper, which makes this step a little like trying to get a live octopus into a tin can, only less inky. Once everything is stacked, and the strips are in the right order, I carefully align the edges of the pages and glue them together (staples might work, but glue definitely does).

Once the glue has dried, I can remove the clamps and fold the shingle strips back down flat again. If the edges weren't perfectly aligned, when the sheets were glued, there will now be a pattern of wide and narrow rows. Notice that the second row from the bottom tore when I was trying to get the octopus into the can; I can fix one or two rows by eye easily enough.

I glued the shingles to the roof sheathing, which I also cut and scribed on the Cricut. There were a few minor adjustments to make when the glue was still wet, and then I left it under a box of magazines to ensure it dried flat. After the glue dried, I cut off the surrounding support sheets, leaving only the shingles, and then touched up the edges.

I really like the colour variation in shingles that I achieved in about five minutes with this method. Indeed, I've gone overboard here, and there are some definite patterns visible, which I would have to correct.

Fortunately, I won't be correcting this roof because true to form, I'm going to have to do this process again as I forgot to include enough material for the eaves!  Well, that only means that I have another piece of model to hand around in my clinic at the Railway Modellers' Meet of British Columbia.

Rene Gourley
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Yaron Bandell ybandell

You just proved my thoughts on how to make singles

Rene, Thank you for proving that my thoughts of making singles easy with my Silhouette Cameo die cutter in the fashion you just detailed would indeed work. Those look awesome!
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Rene Gourley renegourley

Silhouette

You're welcome, Yaron.  If you do attempt it, make note of the relative slopes of the diagonals in the end openings. They are critical. 

Cheers,

Rene

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Mark Dance

why are the slopes critical Rene?

don't they just provide bend clearance?

md

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Critical slopes

They're not scientific, and so, I can't say that one needs to be 43.7 and the other 39.6 degrees or anything. However, there needs to be a difference in them to allow the layers to nestle against one another.  I think it has to do with the thickness of the material.  If you make them too close together (eg both 45 degrees), then the top two layers push against the bottom one (for some meaning of top and bottom) when you flatten them down again.  The result is a waltz pattern in the row spacing.

Cheers,
Rene'

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joef

Describe more how you did the layers?

Rene: This is a fascinating way to make shingles. Tell us more about how you did each layer - did you offset them by a certain amount? Can you post a jpg sample of the drawings so we can better see exactly how you're doing this? I get the concept I think, but I'm still not sure how to translate that to an exact graphics project I could do myself.

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Mark Dance

finger slopes etc.

Looking at the 3 sheets more closely in the photo, it appears that the angled "fingers" on each side of a row of shingles are different between the 3 sheets.  Is that correct? I presume they are symmetric down the middle of the sheets but are they also similar to each other (angles and offsets) on any one given sheet?

One of your wonderful hand sketches showing a side view of the three sheets on top of each other, with their shingles bent at 90 degrees up from their carrier sheets, and with the shingle strips nestled together, might be helpful in explaining what the fingers need to do.  From this, the finger angles and offsets relative to the shingle strip they carry could be reasoned.

just a thought

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Same question

I saw that layers 1, 2, & 3 all start at different places so lining up would seem easy (true?). Some fancy cut shingles (scallops, diamond, etc) would be fun to try as well. How about sharing the Cricut file?

Thanks! 

p.s. Great color contrast too!

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Well, dang I don't know if I can describe it better!

Thanks for the kind words and interest all.

Here is the drawing of the whole shed.

So, Neil is exactly right: the first row of shingles (starting from the bottom) is on sheet 1, the second row is on sheet 2, the third is on 3, the fourth is on 1 again and so on. The shingle strips on sheet two start 6" up from those on sheet 1 and 6" down from those on sheet 3. This means that rather than trying to align the shingle strips themselves, I concentrate on aligning the corners of the sheets.

The shapes of the fingers are exactly the same on all three sheets, although I think they could be different, and effectively I am cutting away more material than I need to in sheets 1 and 2. It's just easier to copy the same shape onto every row of shingles.

I don't know if I could draw them, but I can take a close-up photograph on the next set I produce. Maybe the trick to explaining it is to take a photo where the three sheets are cut from different colours of paper?

Cheers,
Rene'

 

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Douglas Meyer

The different colors would

The different colors would help.

So basically if possible you make these sheets large enough to cover the whole roof.?

Do you glue the back of each sheet so when you press them down the glue to each other so that when you cut off the "frame" you have shingles glued up as a sheet.

-Doug M

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Oakland Dan

Cricut Board and Batten

Rene- I looked at your Pembroke:87 blog ( roundhouse) and read a similar discussion about cutting and layering board and battens with the cricut.  Any chance you could expand on that method also.

Thanks

Dan

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krjone01

Color and Material ?

What material are the shingles made from and what did you use to color them ?

Regards,

Kevin Jones

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Questions regarding gluing sheets and material

Making sheets for the whole roof:

Yes, I made just a small sheet here because I have just a small roof.  Hiding joins in a shingled roof would be very difficult; and so I guess I'm limited to roofs about 12" long.  For any roof I would actually make a sheet of shingles to fit it roof exactly, including any valleys or hips.

Gluing up the sheet:

For this small, simple roof, I glued the shingles directly to a piece of card that represents the sheathing underneath the shingles (modellers would refer to it as a "sub-roof," I guess).  I suppose if you wanted to be fancy and represent a really old roof where there wasn't sheathing so much as rails, you could cut those out, and the backs of the shingles would be visible.  

If it were not convenient to glue directly to the sheathing, I found when doing the clapboard that I could coat the back of all the boards with glue and make a (somewhat fragile) single sheet of just clapboards.  I imaging the same approach would work with the shingles.  I might want to go with a solvent-based glue with the lighter paper, however.

One note is that the top two rows do need some glue under the exposed part of the shingle as the top of those rows gets cut off.

Shingle material and colour:

These are paper from a sketchpad - a little heavier than copier paper, but not card.  I like the paper because it is not at all glossy, whereas I've had challenges killing the shine on styrene roofs before.  Also, even .005" styrene is a little too beefy for shingles; that opening photograph is individual .005" styrene shingles.

Because they are paper, I had to stay away from water for the colour.  They are oil paint (Titanium White, Ivory Black and Raw Umber).

Thanks for your questions, I hope I've made it clearer.

Rene'

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Board and Batten

Dan,

Thank-you for your question about board and batten.  I actually thought it was simple and self-evident from the photos, but I guess it wasn't. So, here is how I did them.

I wanted to avoid the look of battens on a single piece of board. So, I started from the premise of individual boards and battens. But, being lazy, I had the Cricut cut them at the correct spacing. There are two sheets of boards, connected to a top and bottom carrier sheet. The sheets are on the right in the view below of the shed walls.

By making the boards on two sheets, I got subtle colour variations between boards with my washes of oil paints. I think there could also be a subtle unevenness to the boards because it's difficult to glue down card perfectly flat.

After they were coloured, I pushed the two pieces of card back together. I had designed in a puzzle piece connector, but forgot to cut it all the way through; it turned out to be unnecessary. With the two pieces of card together, I glued them to another piece of card. Then I cut away the carrier sheets; this was easy because half the board ends were already cut through, and the others had been cut half-way (see Scribed and Cut Lines on the Cricut).

I actually assembled the three walls of the shed at this point because I was concerned that the battens might not cover the joins properly. Then I glued the battens to the walls, keeping them attached to their carrier sheets until the glue set.

Gluing the battens down was a little bit tricky because there are so many of them that by the time I got to the end, the glue (Weldbond) had started to set on the first ones. Also, they are very fine and blobs of glue, even applied with a pin, squish out the sides. I will have to tackle this problem before attempting a larger board and batten project.

Finally, I cut away the batten carrier sheets, yielding the battens alone on the walls. Unlike the boards, I did not partially cut the battens from the carrier sheet with the Cricut as that would have made them very delicate. However, cutting them free of the carrier sheets was a simple matter of following the back of the boards. As I mentioned previously, next time I will leave a little extra space at the top and bottom of the battens so they don't need to align quite as nicely with the boards.

Note that the door and window casings were included on the same sheets as the battens. 

As with the clapboard, the base washes are Yellow Ochre and Raw Sienna. After assembly, I added a wash of Ivory Black and Titanium White, and a little Burnt Umber to grey it down and blend a little (not shown).

I hope that helps to explain how I did them.  It's surprising this technique works in HO scale.

Cheers,
Rene'

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hminky

Great work!

Thanks!

Harold

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vulturenest

Nice work ...

Really like it.  I'm in the middle of doing somethign similar but fora circular water tank roof.

Curious:  I also have a CriCut and have a board & batten building under development, is there any way to get a copy of your files that you used?  Or did you use the CriCut software to design the building?  I've been using TurboCAD and AutoCAD for my base designs, then uploading into the CriCut.

 

Mike Conder

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rickwade

Super duper!

I'm amazed by what you've done - and amazed at the high price of laser cut shingles that I have to purchase.  You've given me some great ideas - thanks!

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ErieMan47

Contact cement?

Rene-

Gluing the battens down was a little bit tricky because there are so many of them that by the time I got to the end, the glue (Weldbond) had started to set on the first ones. Also, they are very fine and blobs of glue, even applied with a pin, squish out the sides. I will have to tackle this problem before attempting a larger board and batten project.

Would it help to use a contact cement, such as Pliobond?  It would seem to me that by waiting for the contact cement on both surfaces to set up, you could avoid getting blobs of glue seeping out when you press the layers together.  Also, you would not have to worry about the glue on the first battens setting up before you got to the last battens.

great technique, a Cricut is now on my wish list, thanks for sharing it with us,

Dennis

 

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Thanks

Harold, Mike and Rick, Thanks for the kind words. 

Interesting idea about using contact cement, Dennis.  These don't support any stress; I wonder if I could get away with contact cement on only the battens.  

Mike, I'll share the shed pattern once I've stabilized it.  

Cheers,

Rene

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ErieMan47

Contact cement on both surfaces

Rene-
 I am not an expert, but my understanding (and my use of) of contact cement is that it needs to be applied to both surfaces- the battens and the boards.  The idea is to apply a small amount to each surface, let that drop's solvent evaporate (use proper ventilation!) to the point where the surface of the cement is not shiny, and then you press them together.  A chemical reaction causes the two cement surfaces that contact each other to bond strongly and instantly.  If you only apply to the batten and let the cement dry to a dull surface, I don't think it will then bond to the boards.  You would have plenty of time to apply the cement to both the boards and the battens before you press them together.  You'd have to align things carefully, because there is no way to shift the pieces a little once the cement makes contact.  As far as strength, contact cement properly used makes a very strong bond.

regards,

Dennis

 

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Pelsea

You can apply contact cement wet...

It will bond in a couple of hours, depending on the brand. The problem is, it tends to creep onto the surface. It dries rubbery, so it can be cleaned off, but that is difficult to do without pulling the joint apart.

I'd use 3m 77 spray adhesive for the batten boards.

pqe

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Oakland Dan

Thank You

Rene- Thanks for taking the time to share this project with us.  Your last post answered my questions.  Christmas is just around the corner and Mrs. Claus knows what to get for me!

Thanks again

Dan

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Contact cement and spray adhesive for battens

Thanks Dennis and pqe.  This is also how I understand contact cement to work.  However, Pliobond, for one, seems to partially reactivate with enough steady pressure, which is why I mused about getting contact cement to work with only one surface.

I did think about using spray adhesive.  I don't know how I would keep it off the sides of the battens.  I wonder if I could spray it on and cover with a backing sheet before cutting?  This would effectively turn the battens into a big sticker.

Thanks,
Rene'

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Mrs Claus

Dan,

Mrs Claus buys a lot of these for model railroaders!  That's where mine came from too.

Good luck,
Rene'

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Pelsea

Sides?

I don't think there is any way to keep the glue off of the sides of the battens. The closest I can think of would be to spray it before you pop the little squares out. You get about 30 minutes of stickiness after you spray. Actually, I doubt a bit of glue on the edges would do any harm. Any lumps can be cleaned off with a toothpick, and paint will hide the rest.

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