dunstanf

I was asked recently if I would consider making a 12 Axle, heavy duty flat car as a kit to offer.  I thought, Why not?  It’s unique and it would present a great design challenge.  After a bit of research, I decided on the Kasgro 325 ton 12 Axle flatcar shown here as my prototype.  There’s plenty of photos available on line, plus it’s red!  Who can resist a bright red car?

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(Jumping ahead, this is the finished prototype model)

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CAD Design:

Using a set of dimensioned drawings, plus many prototype photos, I used ProE to design the car in HO scale.  As it is on the prototype, there is a main body that rests and pivots in the exact center of  two separate three truck bolsters.   The design criteria was that the 15.5” long car had to easily navigate an 18” radius curve.  To accomplish this, I quickly realized that the center truck had to float side to side to enable the bolsters to turn the tight corners without derailing.

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I created a computer design mockup of the bolster assembly on an 18” radius curve,  and used that to determine that the center truck had to float 0.110” in either direction.  It was clear that I needed a slot in the bolster, but then I needed something to attach the main deck, the truck and the bolster securely into a single moving assembly.

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I found what I needed by looking at electronics supply catalogs:  threaded standoffs for circuit boards.  They were readily available in a variety of lengths, and already threaded for a 2-56 screw.

For the front and rear trucks I chose a 3/16” long hex threaded swaged standoff, and for the center assembly I used a 3/8” round threaded swaged standoff.  The extra length of the center standoff allowed it to attach to the main deck, and protrude thru the bolster to attach to the truck in the center.

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To verify the design, I printed prototypes of the front and rear bolsters, then simulated the deck with a strip of thick polycarbonate plastic.  I added the standoffs and screwed the trucks into place.  I mounted it on a short test track and was glad to see that  the design operated exactly as planned.  The photos below show the center truck floating as the car navigates an 18" radius turn.

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As soon as the design was finalized, I created STL files, uploaded it to Shapeways, and ordered  my first samples.  After a very long two weeks, they arrived.  The material I chose for printing is the “Black Strong and Flexible”  It’s a printed PVC material, and is typically the lowest cost option.  It’s pretty grainy when it arrives, so a bit of sanding was required to make it smooth for final painting.

Weight: 

For the main deck, I knew that I needed to add some operating weight to the car, so I had designed pockets on the underside into which I would add weight.   When the body was sanded and smoothed, I turned the car over on my workbench and filled the pockets with .090” lead shot.  Once I had the lead shot packed down tightly, I mixed a small amount of resin and poured it over the shot to glue it all together.

When the resin and lead shot mixture was dry, I sanded it flat.  The resultant was just over a half a pound of added weight to the car.

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Assembly:

Before painting the car, but after sanding, I assembled the entire car to verify that everything did indeed operate as intended.  Fortunately, it did.

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Painting and Decals.

I chose Model Master acrylic “Insignia red” as the color of the car.  Using an airbrush, I applied 5 light color coats to gradually build up the final finish.  The sides were then given a coat of high gloss clear to prepare them for decals.

Decals:  Using the available prototype photos, I replicated the markings using power point.  This file was then converted to a PDF master, which was then used to print an entire sheet of white custom decals.  After applying the markings, the entire car was given two coats of clear flat acrylic.

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Brake details:  The brake gear on these cars is located prominently on the top of the decks at each end of the car.  Because each bolster acts as an independent car, they each have their own brake valves and air reservoirs.  For this prototype model, I used a 3D printed valve and air tank from my log car models.  For future models of this car, however, I wanted something more accurate.  I created an all new set of gear with a highly detailed ABDX valve, a two compartment air reservoir, air lines and reserve tank.  This will be printed using Shapeways “Extreme Detail” material.

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The final result is an impressive and unique car that operates well in spite of it’s extended length.   For a finishing touch, I’ll be adding a massive auto transformer load, seen in process here. This one will be an MDF core detailed with plastic strip, but I may use it to make a mold for resin copies.

This car was a fun exercise in design and assembly.

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As always, I make my designs available to anyone who wants to build one for themselves.  The Bolster assemblies, main deck and brake detail are printed from Shapeways, (about $60 with shipping )  and I'll supply you the standoffs, screws, decals, and brake wheels. ($15) 

The builder supplies 3 identical sets of 100 ton trucks and #48 Kadee couplers. 

Please Email me direct for more information

Dunstan.fandel@gmail.com

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ILHO

Fascinating or as the term becomes popular Ludicrous

So good! Eagerly awaiting the load !  From what has been done it will be the icing on the cake.

Ivan Lee Herring

Mountain Valley Western

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dunstanf

Shapeways Links

Order the Body, Bolsters and Brake components direct from Shapeways.  It's faster and you don't have to pay shipping twice.  The lead time is about two weeks from them.

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/pdxrr

Look for these these components:  "DDF main frame, "Bolster Assembly" and "DD flat Brake gear"

I'll supply you with the decals, standoffs, screws, and brake wheels. ($15 via paypal, using my email address.  This includes shipping)

For an extra $2.50, I can provide the 1/2 lb of lead shot, (including extra postage)

Fellow modeler Ian Clasper currently offers a transformer on Shapeways that would work well:

http://www.shapeways.com/product/487GSLELS/transformer-load-walthers-qttx-4-trk-well-flat?optionId=43827171

Thanks

 

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choo choo chuck

what era?

Looks like a great model. What era years would it fit into?

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dunstanf

Era?

I don't know the exact build date for these cars, but they are in active service.  I suspect 2000's and later.

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ILHO

Ludicrous definition is not what i thought it was

Googled Ludicrous and that is the wrong comment definition, i was referring to the Tesla - Spaceballs Ludicrous mode as being super duper.


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Image is of your Firecat 12 axle, 325 ton Drop Deck Flatcar well length of 37' with the Bachman schnaebel Transformer load and the Athearn heavy duty flat car with load behind it.

Load comparison:

Bachman 380 ton transformer car load is not much larger than what is on an Athearn Heavy Duty 8 axle flatcar. Athearn heavy duty flat car load ~10cm and Bachmann schnaebel load are ~11cm, the Bachmann is taller, but on a depressed center it come out about the same height as the Athearn. Bachmann depressed flat car with Transformer load and Walthers Transformer kit are < 5cm
Shapeways $60 Transformer load Walthers QTTX 4 trk well flat : Width 9.652 cm Height 3.836 cm Depth 4.478 cm
Concept Models LOAD FOR SPECIALIZED FLAT CARS $40 requires a deck length of 35', HO scale ...> 12cm No real measurement of the load tho

Really enjoyed your kit and having that thin solder to use as brake cable added a lot.

Thanks, ILH

Ivan Lee Herring

Mountain Valley Western

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NebraskaTrevor

Nice work

I know this is an old thread, just had to comment and say what nice work you have done on the car.  The modeling both virtual and real both look great!  Your solution to the trucks and tight Radi is really a great one, which I need to file away in my memory banks!

 

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Chris Palermo patentwriter

Awesomeness

Terrific engineering and execution. Congratulations.

At Large North America Director, 2024-2027 - National Model Railroad Association, Inc.
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joef

Thanks for posting this

Thanks for posting this, nice work! It's well-executed modeling posts like this that really help make the MRH forum what it is.

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Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

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