Rob_C

This is more of a fanciful Christmas display train rather than an attempt at a new G-Scale layout.  I would like to some day have a nice garden layout to compliment my HO layouts.  But that will have to wait. 

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I recently picked up a discontinued New Bright Christmas train used for a great price mainly for the wow factor of the lights, sound, and animation.  Every year at Christmas I do an open house for the public during a street fair and I wanted something to draw people in from the street.  However the New Bright is not designed to permanently run in the garden.  I was thinking it would go out just for the open house and have a dedicated loop on a raised layout in the front yard that would go around two palm trees about 3-4 feet off the ground to keep it safe from the elements and getting stepped on.  The layout size is approximately 6' X 27'. 

I have a couple of concerns.  I know the New Bright track is not designed to be left outside.  I was looking at Llagas Creek track which has aluminum track, but it's flex track and I was hoping to use sectional to make setup a breeze.  If I went with say Bachmann sectional track for the curves and Llagas for the flex/straight what is the compatibility?  Or just stick with one track manufacturer?  Either way I am looking to do this on a budget because funds are tied up with the other layout for some time to come.

For bench work I was envisioning essentially a bridge between the trees.  2X4's would be vertical a couple feet in from the trees and support cables that would meet in the center giving a bridge effect.  The edges of the layout, cables, and the "towers" would be lit giving a night time effect of a giant suspension bridge in the front yard. 

I believe I can wire the new bright power pack to a plug connector that would have a couple of power points around the layout.  It is unclear how large a track area the power pack supports, but it appears to be proprietary and not DCC.  If I was ever going to run anything else on this layout I would need a DPDT switch to toggle power supply between sessions.

I know the New Bright is somewhat delicate from things I've read.  Am I nuts for even thinking about running this thing outside at night a couple times per year?

The other issue is storage.  I was going to build the layout in two sections that could be moved to the back yard for use or just storage the rest of the year.  But with sections being almost 15 feet long I'm wondering if that might be too cumbersome.  I think the track would stay on it permanently once wired in and secured.  This might allow for some ballasting.

The idea behind the entire layout supported by four 2X4's is that the leveling of the layout would be possible almost anywhere with the moving of a few screws.  Should I be considering construction materials other than wood?  I would of course paint everything for weather resistance.

The center of the layout could be populated with temporary scenery.  Trees, inflatable decorations,etc or just be left hallow to reduce weight.  I was going to have a 1X2 guard along the edge as well to prevent errant running off the edge.

I welcome feedback and stuff I might have glossed over.

Cheers,

Rob

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Kirk W kirkifer

I wouldn't use it for that purpose!

The New Bright train is probably the most amazing set I have ever seen. All of the lights and animation are just cool. It blows my mind to know that New Bright stopped manufacturing this set and no other manufacturer followed.

The one thing about this set, there are many delicate (perhaps, cheaply made) parts and actions. I have already tried one crazy repair to one of the animation functions with limited success. The complicated control system is probably limited and I wouldn't get too crazy trying to make it power too much track. I find that most visitors to my home comment about the cute Christmas train and that is about it... So, it is for me and my wife to enjoy.

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago regarding converting the train to DCC or something. I think someone had figured out how to power it with Arduno but still had not figured out the sounds. So, I am not sure what I will do when the day comes that I just can't keep it running.

These things get stupidly expensive on eBay. Have you ever seen the Reindeer Car manufactured for Dillards? That one car has gone for $400 before. There are still warehouses that have these hidden deep in dark corners. I bought a second train for parts, etc. for $50, that was a deal! When I asked about the controller, they were like, "yeah, we just threw that stuff away because we didn't think anyone would want it..."

And now I know how rare collectibles are made!

Discussion about DCC control for this train

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Eric Warhol ewarhol

It can be done

Rob-

That's a pretty good size temporary/movable layout. If you're going to build something that large I would consider it being a permanent layout. Then no worries of it needing to be stored. When it comes to building the layout there are many options, it all depends on the climate you live in and what materials would be best suited. 

Like building a layout in HO scale, there are many ways to approach it for G scale. For building a raised garden railroad lots of people use either green treated boards or composite decking material. Here's two pictures of what I built for my first layout. It's a temp one for me, we plan on building on acreage in the next year or two. You can always turn the temp layout into a permanent layout. 

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As for track, if you're going to be using track power I recommend brass or stainless steel. The aluminum track is a poor conductor. Feel free to mix and match brand names of track. I've heard of people mixing stainless steel and brass track with great success. Like HO scale, you can even mix code sizes. Split Jaw rail joiners makes code conversion pieces.

On my current layout I use USA Trains and Aristocraft Code 332 brass track. It's a little bigger than scale track (think along the lines of code 100 in HO). Code 250 is correct scale (like code 83). But it all depends on your likes. In the future I'll be using code 250 stainless steel. 

I have the same New bright set. I have never tried hooking up the control unit to something else, but it sounds like you have the knowledge of how to do it. I like the DPDT switch idea to switch from the New Bright control system to a different control system.

My loop of track runs only about 94'. I only have one set of pickup wires and it works just fine. I'm running DCC with my stuff. 

One last thing, are there any Garden RR clubs in your area? If so get out and see what the club or members have. That will give you ideas. I belong to the Minnesota Garden Railway Society. I have seen members run New Bright stuff before for something fun and different. I think their stuff was battery operated and radio controlled. 

Hope this helps, and have fun!

 

Eric Warhol

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frankpalmer

Aluminum is the 4th best conductor for electricty

i don't know why anyone would say aluminum is a poor conductor. It's rated number 4 on the list of conductors. That's why they use it for house wiring, it's much cheaper than copper.

The top conductors are:

1 - Pure Silver, 2 - Copper, 3 - Pure Gold, 4 - Aluminum, followed by brass, zinc, nickle, iron and so on. Stainless Steel is number 11, not really good for trains outside.

I couldn't afford to use pure silver or gold on my outdoor layout so I used the next best thing cost wise, aluminum. 

 

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billkohler

Aluminum -- good conductor, but poor surface contact resistance

Aluminum is a great conductor, but aluminum oxide (the black stuff on the surface) is essentially an insulator, making for lousy electrical pickup from the rails to the wheels. And it oxidizes much faster than brass, which makes cleaning brass rail a picnic by comparison.

I'm using aluminum rail outdoors, but all my locos have on-board batteries.

Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!

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