Acuransx15

So since I've returned from a year of college, I've had a rather major change of heart about my passion for model railroading (and it's not the change of heart you would likely assume). Rather than lose my love for the hobby, I find myself even more appreciative of it. However, that new appreciation does come with a loss. I decided about a month ago to change railroads, locales, seasons, and eras. I've traded in my HO scale New York Central layout set during the summer of 1958 in Upstate New York for a modern (Feb. 2014) representation of the Long Island Rail Road and New York & Atlantic Railway during the aftermath of a blizzard. This change was hard for me to come to terms with considering I've enjoyed working on the NYC layout for many years now, but I'm a Long Islander and I know more about the modern operations of the commuter/freight services of my region than the NYC's equivalents from 60 years ago. With that said, I've already been amassing information and pictures of my new railroads for reference, and I've just started to do some random small modeling projects. I don't have space for a layout just yet so at this point I'm just stockpiling finished projects for ease of setup later. The project I will now describe was my first project of the summer and in my opinion, it turned out very well. I hope some of you find it applicable to your layouts and give it a try. Here we go:

I decided to do a construction debris load for an Atlas gondola I picked up at the hobby shop about a month ago. From what I've observed from online photos and YouTube videos, the New York & Atlantic hauls tons of construction debris loads in various types of gondolas from demolition sites all over the island. These loads consist of all types of dusty scraps from drywall and tarps to broken lumber and other broken bits (you know what I mean). The prototype picture below shows the look of what we are going to try to achieve (photo by Christopher Millette of Erie-Times News). 

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I want to start off by saying that this project will cost you absolutely nothing for the most part; we are going to create this effect with all household items or things you can get outside of the house free of charge. The picture below will show only some of the endless different things we could use to create the debris in this gondola. What you want to find are unused paper napkins, junk notepads, plastic grocery bags, styrene scrapings, balsa shavings, and even the netting that holds fruits at the grocery store. 

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What you want to do next is start ripping the scraps of paper or plastic and placing them into a container. You then take some heavy-duty scissors and chop away at the paper and plastic until you get a fine material. I recommend doing a little at a time because you don't want your hand to cramp up. You'll eventually get a consistency as seen below:

***please note: you can click on all of these images for a larger view***

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Next you're going to take your shredded scraps and place them in a smaller Dixie cup for staining. I stained the material with a brown wash of acrylic paints and a mixture of alcohol/india-ink. Once the stains were applied, I spread out the scraps on newspaper under a lamp to speed up the drying process (it took overnight to air-dry sufficiently). Once dry, the material had a color realistic to the prototype photos. The paper will become stiff once dry so this will aid in the construction of the actual gon-load base. The debris result is seen below with a penny for HO size reference:

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I made my load base for the gondola out of foam-core I picked up at the dollar store. I wanted the load to be removable so I cut the foam-core to be a little smaller than the opening of the inside of the gondola. I used shims made out of balsa strips to have the foam-core sit about 3/16" under the top sill of the gondola so that the debris would not rise too high out of the car. The shape of the load does not need to have an exaggerated tapered shape like a coal load; it just needs to bend down slightly on the sides, but you can create that look with the shredded scraps themselves. I painted the foam core black so that I did not have to worry about covering every inch of the foam board with debris. Once that was done, I started adding the debris with full-strength white glue.  I also glued individual strips of balsa wood within the debris for visual interest.Once the glue dried, I then went for a dusty look and heavily applied a mixture of white and light-brown powdered chalks. You can then spray the load with dull cote to seal everything in place and then apply more chalks as needed.

There is still one final step. Most of these construction loads I've studied have orange safety netting over the construction debris to keep it from flying off during transit. I bought orange tulle at Michael's arts and crafts store for about four bucks and this simulates the netting very well. I have the tulle pictured below:

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At 6"x25 yards, your four dollars will be a lifetime investment for your loads. If you have way too much extra, spray it with gray auto-primer and use it for chain-link fencing. You want to cut the tulle slightly larger than your load and lay it over the top of it.Pull the ends taught over it but not too much; we still want to see some slack in the netting. When you pull the ends tight, tuck them under the load and tape them well to the bottom of the foam-core load. 

And that's that. The finished results are pictured below and I believe they look much like the real thing.

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And here's a close up:

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So that is a way for you to make construction debris loads for your gondolas. Although it is hard to take pictures which do the actual look of these loads justice, I can assure you this method works. If you'd like to see other pictures for better views or more information on the process please let me know, but in the mean time, I hope you give this method a try for your layout's gondola load needs. It is cheap, easy, fast and good looking-- if you ask me, that's a recipe for success in this hobby. Feel free to comment. Thanks for reading!

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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Rick Sutton

Yeah! I like it.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, well done. Good to see a young buck in the hobby coming up with some cool work!

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AlanR

Fantastic!

Looks very realistic!

Alan Rice

Amherst Belt Lines / Amherst Railway Society, Inc.

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SP Steve

Amazing!

Looks amazing! Thanks for sharing your method and results!

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Cadmaster

Like the load and great use

Like the load and great use of scrap material. One comment I have is on the netting. It would seam the netting should overlap the sides and end of the gondola as the tie downs would be ont eh outside. The way you have modeled it look like a bed tucked in. Sorry to bring this up as this is a well done load and a good tutorial and picture doc. 

thank you

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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avrinnscale

Great job!

I'm going to try this!

Geof

Geof Smith

Modeling northern New England in N scale. 

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Very nicely done. Great

Very nicely done. Great explanation. In an earlier era debris like that might have moved with out the cover.

Glad you are still modeling what space permits. I will mention that building rolling stock for your sometime later layout is a great way to stay in the hobby. Structure kits etc can be collected when they go on sale as well even if they do not get assembled for a few years. In the interim there might be a club you could join so as to have a place to run your equipment.

One thing to remember about a club is it will likely be a compromise and not the ideal layout etc. However, your cost is generally your dues which are often very little for the enjoyment you will get and the friends you will make.

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Acuransx15

Thank you guys

Hey guys, thanks for all the kind comments. I'm glad you all like it.

And Neil is absolutely right that the prototype loads do not have the safety netting tie downs tucked inside the load. They do indeed rest on top, completely over the debris. However, tucking the tulle under the foam-core was a compromise for the sake of having the load be easily removable. It was hard for me to securely attach the netting otherwise. If anyone has a solution for this, that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again--------Nick 

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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Cadmaster

Like I said Nick, good job on

Like I said Nick, good job on the loads. Wish I could give you an alternative to tie downs on outside. I guess I am "that guy" on this occasion. Point out a minor flaw, but not have a solution. Sorry Dude.

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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Acuransx15

No worries

Don't worry about it, Neil. Respectful suggestions like your's are  crucial for helping us modelers achieve the highest amount of realism possible. I always appreciate those in the model railroad community who have the courage to point out what can be done to improve our methods. All the best, Neil.            ------Nick

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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Jeff Youst

What about that gon...?

The tutorial was great Nick.  Informative and concise.  I really like the weathering on the gondola - it's right on par with the type of loads it's hauling...rusty and crusty.  The whole package looks great.  Keep up the modeling spirit and good luck with your future studies. 

Jeff EL Marion 2nd Sub 1964

Jeff 
Erie Lackawanna Marion Div.
Dayton Sub 1964
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Hunter Hughson

Nicely done!

Hey, that looks great. I wonder if a scrap metal load can be put together with the same technique?

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johnybgood18

OH... I like that a lot!

Thanks for the great tutorial.  Right on time since I need some scrap loads for my gons!

Chris

You can visit my layout Facebook page: Freelanced Perkins subdivision

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Acuransx15

Good thoughts

Yeah I'm sure if you spray painted or airbrushed the load with silver or brown and rusty colors, you could turn it into a scrap metal type load. That's a good thought, Hunter. It hadn't occurred to me that to do that. 

I also want to mention that the finer debris material can be placed in yards and back alleys behind buildings on your layout to represent piles of litter and spilled trash. The material is very versatile.    --------Nick

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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htbl36

Looks awesome, I will try

Looks awesome, I will try it!---Henry

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Cadmaster

Scrap metal load.. kitchen

Scrap metal load.. kitchen foil in a blender for a couple of seconds. PS buy a cheap blender for the model railroad don;t use your wife's. It should look like what is called in the industry as "fluff". 

FLUFF is all the left over unusable mix of glass plastic foam etc from the metal industry from cars and other appliances after shredder 

Full article at Scrap Metal Forum:  http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/day-life-scrapper/10756-know-your-fluff.html#ixzz4GBzL0rOm

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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Richard Cooke

Construction debris

the best I can offer is to glue the net to the center of the pile, let the net rest on top of the car sides. Trim the net even with the outside of the car side. It would be loose but better?

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Nelsonb111563

OP's photos missing

The OP's photos are missing from this post.  FYI

 

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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Acuransx15

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Hello everyone...if you are experiencing difficulties viewing the images in the blog's body of text above, I have inserted backups below in the order they appeared in originally. Hopefully that'll help in the mean time...I tried fixing it but I haven't been successful. Thanks.                      ------------- Nick

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Hemi

How to Model Construction Debris Loads for your Gondolas

NICE! 

Couldn't you take a "Yard Sale Special" kitchen blender, add the same materials, and flip the on switch for say 15 seconds and get about the same results as seen here done with scissors?

The entire idea of making a "scrap load" such as this is actually NICE and a bit different from the norm. Especially for a gondola load! 

The "net covering" is a GREAT added detail!

On a second note, I have a machine shop for all this kinda stuff, and I save ALL my "metal" chips from either the Mill or my Lathe, and THIS all put into small coffee cans (NOT a lot is made on small machines, and or small jobs being done) BUT all the different metals is separated, by metal type for a "scrap metal load" in gondola's and then I have "Mixed metals" as well for the shredded stuff...... As a "mixed" load.....

This said, however, I got a few cars to load and only one is done right now with what would be "shredded Brass" in the car currently, but I'm not exactly pleased with this load, and plan to either add to it, or something, as its not what I first foreseen.....

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CarterM999

FIRST PICTURE OVERTURNED GONDOLA

I don't see any netting in the first picture perhaps it got buried under the trash on the tracks? or NO NETTING?

 

 

 "HO" TRAINS ARE MY LIFE...AND "N" AND "AMERICAN FLYER" AND "LIONEL" AND EBAY.

WITHOUT CLOSETS, MODEL MANUFACTURERS WOULD NEVER BE PROFITABLE.

CARTERM999

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p51

Simple yet HIGHLY effective

Great job, it looks very good, as I've seen these types of loads in the past.

Funny, I used a very similar technique to make stuff to fill scale trash cans on my layout as well (but of course in very small amounts, as even an O scale trash can is very tiny).

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Acuransx15

Hey guys!

Hey guys! 

@Hemi.............a yard sale blender would probably save my hands a lot of effort. My guess is that the paper pieces would be too light to be shredded efficiently. You would probably have to wet the paper first and then blend it. Considering drying time, it would probably take the same amount of time in the end. 

It's nice that you have shredded metal filings on hand. Stuff like that is hard to come by in bulk so that's why paper is my go to. It's readily available and I can make large quantities of it without feeling bad about using it up. Metal filings would look nice for detail on top. I'm sure the paper load could be painted to better resemble metal and you could use the real shavings as accent.

@P51............Thanks for the kind words

@CarterM999......not all hoppers have netting but it is considered better to have it than not as the debris is very light and could easily blow out of the hopper. As you can see from the below photos, these nets are found on the cars at least in the area I model. The only difference between the model and the photo is that the net lays completely on top of the load in prototype, while for operations sake I tuck the netting beneath the load on the sides. Click on the images for a better look.

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Thank you all again & cheers,

Nick

Modeling the Long Island Rail Road & New York and Atlantic Railway

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emodeler

Tie downs

Nick, what if you formed the tull over a mold and put a little CA on the edge. Fold the edge over the top on some wax paper or something that the ca won't adhere to. Then you've got an edge that will come off with the load. Hope this helps. Eric.
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Acuransx15

Thanks for the idea

Thanks, Eric. That sounds like a good idea. I’ll be sure to try that out. 

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