twofootdrive

broom(2).jpg Hi I recently changed some of my trackage on my Free-mo Module Southwest Broom. So that I eliminated a bottleneck to one of my industries.  But that created a need for a custom diamond crossing.  Well I never handlaid any track but that didn't deter me one bit.  A little trail and error and some filing I can run a box car thru both sides of the diamond without derailing.  BUT I know that I have to cut some electrical breaks and wire in a Frog Juicer so that I can run a DCC layout.  SO my question is where to cut the the rails and insert gaps.

Thanks  Danbroom(1).jpg 

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DrJolS

Try this website

Gartner's Wiring for DCC

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#a53

scan down to the third example: scratch built crossing.

Hoping it helps,

drJolS

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Cadmaster

No need for Frog Juicer

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I built this diamond years ago. I used Fastracks templates sort off as you can somewhat see the diamond is curved on both routes so I had to do a bit of trickery. Gapping the crossing was simple. Just cut the gaps where FT advises which is where you can see at the double PC ties. what you can not see is just out of the shot left and right are two more sets of double ties and that is also a cut point. By cutting at hese suggested points you end up with about 1 - 1 1/2" dead spot on the frog, but I never had an issue with any train (4 axle switcher) going through there. 

http://www.handlaidtrack.com/Fast-Tracks-HO-Scale-Printable-Track-Templates-s/83.htm

I guess if you must spend the money to add the Frog Juicer then cut the gaps exactly the same as I have and wire the frogs to the juicer as advised.

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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twofootdrive

Thanks for the

Thanks for the suggestion,  I suppose if I built the crossing the same as either example I could just follow them.  However it's not the same.  So can the eagle eye'd among you suggest anything short of building another?  BTW I am out of pcb ties and fast tracks order is coming but my deadline is July 4!

Thanks Dan

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Cadmaster

you have to cut gaps in order

you have to cut gaps in order to power this x-over or to leave the frogs dead. My suggestion would be to cut the gaps as advised in the fastrack diagram or as drJolS advised per Wiring for DCC. The problem your going to have is that you just do not have enough support on the rail. You really need to add in more PC ties and solder b4 you start hacking away or your x-over will probably not make it. You also need to add guard rails to the approaches or you will have issues. 

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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Toniwryan

Where the opposite rails cross ...

It looks like you will need more PCB ties to support things once you cut gaps.  Think about turnout frogs as you look at the diamond.  As you travel through on one route, there is a left rail and a right rail, wherever these cross each other must be isolated.  Powering the isolated areas with a Juicer is optional.  At the big diamond in the center, the right and left rails must be isolated from each other as well, specifically the two halves of the guards, as metal wheels could bridge between things.  Don't forget to gap the PC ties  

The red lines are the gaps around the frog areas and the green lines are just gaps between opposite rails.

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Toni

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CNscale

Here's how I wired mine

Here's how I gapped and wired mine: http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthread.php?19021-Handlaid-track-building-a-crossing&p=168841#post168841I used the control from a nearby turnout to switch the frog polarity in the crossing.


Chris
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twofootdrive

Many Thanks

This is just what I was looking for.  Now as for the pcb ties they were ordered a week ago and if they don't show up in the next two days a small segment of the national train show is going to be disappointed as the module is included with the Free-mo set-up at NTS and will be used for operations.  Yeah I know don't wait for the last minute to do something and don't do something new,  when it's critical and there's no back up,.  But that's what MOW repair crew's are for and dispatchers lose sleep on.

Dan

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Cadmaster

Your not going to like it,

Your not going to like it, but if your module is part of a "big picture" if possible you may want to consider removing the crossing at this time and lay in a piece of flex so that at least one track can be used. If you don't have time to fix the issue you may cause problems for the remaining sections of the layout.

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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ctxmf74

" as for the pcb ties they

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" as for the pcb ties they were ordered a week ago and if they don't show up in the next two days a small segment of the national train show is going to be disappointed as the module is included with the Free-mo set-up at NTS and will be used for operations."

A couple of solutions. Buy some PC board at a local electronics shop and saw out some ties. Glue in wooden ties and spike the rails at the gaps. There was life before Fastracks :> ) .......DaveB 

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twofootdrive

PCB ties

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A couple of solutions. Buy some PC board at a local electronics shop and saw out some ties. Glue in wooden ties and spike the rails at the gaps. There was life before Fastracks :> ) .......DaveB 

I have some pc board and its so bad that as soon as I hit it with some heat the copper comes off.  But don't worry its only 5 days before the show I still have time.........(LOL)

Dan 

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twofootdrive

Success

 Success The diamond crossing performed without a problem the only engine that had any problem stalling was my 0-6-0 Mantua Steam engine but nobody else complained to me about the crossing.  As for the rest of the show it was a great success for the Free-mo group which had trains running on set up day and started operations first thing Friday morning.  

Dan

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