BoulderCreek

Why?.... The answer to that question has been answered by Mike Budde. 

If you've not seen the April 'What's Neat' then you should certainly check it out. The way Mike models a damaged panel on a car is nothing short of amazing! 

Mike has inspired me to give it a try, the only difference is I plan to build a complete car from foil for the sole purpose of wrecking it... 

The plan is to create a bit of a back story, not entirely sure what it will be but maybe something along the lines of a car breaking down and becoming stranded on a level crossing. The people get out of the car to try move it from the tracks but the motor has ceased and the wheels are jammed... I think you can guess the rest of the story.

Before we know it a freight train has collected the car!

I'm curious to see how a foil car will look on film when run over by a HO scale model freight train? I have a feeling it will look quite interesting. I'll film it at a very high frame rate so I can slow the footage right down and get a good look at the impact.

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The car so far is looking respectable, I anticipate making a number of these for testing. It's not "Mike Budde" good but I think with some practice I'll get something believable.

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It's certainly not for the faint hearted, the foil is unbelievably fragile. I'm actually amazed that I got this far! I have no idea how to do the interior?

It will need to be 'not rigid' if you know what I mean, I want it to crumple and squash. I was thinking of making a paper interior, I think a foil interior will be too hard to fabricate. Any suggestion will be very much appreciated It only needs to be basic as it will be ruined so I don't want to spend too much time building it.

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I'm not going to worry about windows either, I may do a windscreen? Undecided, but if I do it will most likely be made like Mike has demonstrated in previous 'What's Neat' videos and use sticky tape.

I'm not sure how far away this project is from being filmed, I still need to make the scene for it to go on but once I finish it I'll be sure to post the video here.

Cheers
Luke Towan

 

 

 

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John Peterson

Interesting ...

Somehow, I don't think real physics will allow a scale collision between a train and an automobile to look very "realistic" ... Mass, momentum, inertia, energy dissipation, etc. won't match the real thing.  I'd test something simple before spending a lot of time on it, to be sure the results are what you are looking for.  But, it does sound like a neat little project.  Good luck.  

 

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Benny

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Use the same foil material to make the interior.

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Bill Brillinger

weight

The foil car will need to be heavy enough or held in place securely enough so it doesn't just fly away like a soccer ball when it get hit, but not so weighted that the train stops.

This will certainly be interesting.  

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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BoulderCreek

Soccer Ball

you bring up a great point Bill & John, I hadn't thought about that? I think to get the initial impact to look ok I might try gluing the wheels to the surface with a small amount of tacky glue. Hopefully the train will cause a descent amount of crumple damage before the car bounces off to the side.

For the interior, I was thinking of using paper, simply due to it being easier to manage. Using foil will be very fragile but that said if I use paper I might have to use very thin paper like 'tracing paper' or possibly 'paper mache'?

Thanks for the ideas 

Cheers
Luke

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ctxmf74

"The foil car will need to be

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"The foil car will need to be heavy enough or held in place securely enough so it doesn't just fly away like a soccer ball when it get hit, but not so weighted that the train stops."

    Hi Bill, When I was 12 years old I was riding in the cab of a GP9 that hit a car and it pretty much was kicked down the right of way like a soccer ball. Luckily it was a glancing blow and the car shot off to the right so was not crumpled up too badly. Couldn't feel a thing in the cab ,saw him coming from the left and just heard a crash as he crossed in front of us and got kicked off to the right.......DaveB  

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Louiex2

Heavier aluminium?

You might try a heavier aluminum or perhaps several layers glued together for strength. I think your idea of a paper interior may work. You might try using toilet paper soaked in white glue placed over the interior to make a copy- it would be slightly larger but you could trim it to fit.

As for simulating the impact, as John mentioned, the scale physics might not work. I'm a retired auto injury claims adjuster and in all of the car v. train (including light rail) accidents I investigated, the impacted side/end of the car resembled an accordion, which, of course, is what modern cars are are designed to do in impacts. Fortunately, the occupants usually survived. 

However, I'm a big fan of you videos and it will be interesting to see your results.

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Tissue paper interior?

A video posted here showed using tissue paper that was wetted and painted with white glue. It might give you the temporary look you want while still being fragile enough to crush. A little weight in the engine might give it that mass needed to react more realistically when hit - no idea how though!

Does Testors still make the liquid glazing? 

Neil E

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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Graham Line

Foiled

How do you plan to get your electric train to run into anything with a metal foil automobile sitting across the tracks?

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