MRH

Letter to the Editor

Reversing the Decline in Participation in Model Railroading Depends on Taking Two Steps

Participation in the model railroading hobby will expand if we take to heart some lessons from military modelers. While admittedly anecdotal evidence, a look at the ages of authors published in Kalmbach's Fine Scale Modeler reveals military modelers, or more broadly plastic modelers, to be a generation or two younger than model railroaders.

Military modelers, as I will call them for shorthand, seem to be fellows who had variously some or no introduction to model building as children; so far so good, they seem to fit the mold of model railroaders. They then abandoned the hobby for girls and cars; again just like model railroaders. They get back into the hobby after marriage puts an end to their wilder days.

Here are two ways where our paths diverge.

First, while some of us mirror the military modeler and get back into model railroading once a more settled lifestyle takes over, others of us see a large model railroad as something we must put off until the kids go off to college and we have settled into our dream home (read "big home with big basement"). This is a major cause of the shrinking of our hobby. Yes, that Americans have a reduced relationship to real trains plays a role too. Indeed, American ridership on railroads is down from its glory days and so many rail yards that dads visited with their sons have disappeared.

Just what feeds the above mentioned inertia of the armchair model railroader?. Sadly this inertia is too often fed by the modeling press. While the long term interests of the model railroading press is in growing our hobby, editors' short term interest is in holding the attention of their readers. I would posit their long and short term interests work at cross purposes -- to the detriment of the hobby. Big layouts sell magazines - not a problem in itself. However, reading and then dreaming about big layouts too often seems to confirm armchair modelers to stay right there - in their armchairs.

A second difference between military modelers and ourselves is that while they would never think of modeling tanks, for instance, of a make believe nation, model railroaders create our own fictional railroads. We go so far as to name them after spouses, etc. Perhaps a younger generation sees this as immature? Younger folks have so many avenues for fictionalized amusement, those who turn towards modeling seem to want fidelity to a prototype. Could our fictionalized railroads seem childish to them? It is a question worth pondering.

Heretofore efforts at reducing declining participation in the hobby may be misplaced. A recent Kalmbach publication quoted John Nehrich as maintaining that our efforts to recruit children to the hobby are counter-productive - such efforts only working to reinforce stereotypes that model railroading is a childish pursuit.

While efforts such as the participating in the Boy Scout's railroading merit badge (which has a modeling component) will probably not harm our efforts, I think Nehrich is on to something if we place too great an emphasis on children. So here are my suggestions.

So what seems to be the fork in the road -- apologies to Robert Frost's The Road Not Taken (1916) -- that makes model railroading if not "the road less traveled by" then a road that we could improve upon? Military modelers can pursue their hobby with less room (a small workbench suffices); at less cost; and with more modest yet attainable goals in sight. So how can we as the model railroad hobby learn and thrive from this? I offer two solutions that complement one another.

Perhaps if our magazines and the NMRA extolled the benefits of the smaller layout (and honored such layouts with generous coverage), then a golden age of model railroading could lie ahead of us? Smaller, even European-style exhibition layouts, or I dare suggest even the micro-layouts Carl Arendt popularized at his web site http://www.carendt.com, can solve most of the challenges facing someone considering entering or re-entering the hobby of model railroading.

Micro layouts would allow young adults (in their 20s and 30s) to enjoy our hobby with minimal space requirements, minimal time investment, and minimal financial outlays. For many years some pointed the finger at declining participation in the NMRA at the problem of smaller houses -- this has been debunked by the fact that American homes have been growing in recent decades (though often the expanded space is spoken for with finished rooms dedicated such uses as home theaters, etc.).

That said, those young men (and yes model railroading seems to attract more men than women) do indeed reside in smaller homes or apartments and will only participate in model railroading if can be tailored to their circumstances. Yes, many of them will trade up to larger living accommodations as the decades of their lives roll on. But we want to get them at an earlier age so some restraint in what we call a great model railroad is called for. The Europeans seem to have worked this out better than we have.

Rather than all the talk of despair, let's give a chance to appealing to younger men by encouraging them in more manageable modeling goals and eschewing fantasy modeling (there are plenty of alternative modeling and computer venues for that).

 

Nicholas Kalis
McLean, Virginia
 

Nicholas is building a Fn3 layout of the Oahu Sugar Company set in 1943. His previous layout took the cover of September 2007 Railroad Model Craftsman

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joef

We post this for comment ... will be the May Staff Notes topic

We are posting this full letter here for your comment. We will be pulling part of this letter out in MRH Staff Notes in the May issue and commenting on it. What do you think? Is Nick right? All wet? Or maybe some variation on his suggestions will make a difference? Your thoughts?

Joe Fugate​
Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

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biggazza

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Very well done SoundTraxx.

Cheers, Gary

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Michael24

As a Military Modeler and a model railroader I agree

I had two model railroad layouts while in middle school and junior high, with my dad's help on the benchmark.  During that time I built 1/35 scale military models. However, I could never do both full bore very well.  As my free time decreased in high school, college, and newly married with a growing family, I focused on military modeling building.  Why?  Because of the afore mentioned space constraints and time constraints.  I had enough small units of time to focus on the various aspects of a tank model.  The project was limited in time and achievable. As my kids grew up and I established my self in the work place, I reverted back to model railroading. Now, I thoroughly enjoy the operations side of model railroading.

i believe our hobby needs to provide a little more focus on model railroad kit building, whether it be locos, rolling stock, buildings, or dioramas. These are all easily done with limited space, time, and finances.  The challenge is balancing the interest of all as our wonderful hobby is so broad.  

 

Michael 

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YoHo

I would have to sit and

I would have to sit and ponder this further, but 2 things caught my eye. 

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Younger folks have so many avenues for fictionalized amusement, those who turn towards modeling seem to want fidelity to a prototype.

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 Big layouts sell magazines - not a problem in itself. However, reading and then dreaming about big layouts too often seems to confirm armchair modelers to stay right there - in their armchairs.

 

So, I don't disagree with the second item and I'm not sure how I feel about the first one. After all, alternate worlds, fantasy and SciFi have become rooted in popular culture far more than ever in the past. I'm not sure that that works against freelance. That feels like a stretch. And to be sure, there are plenty of "kids" out there who create warhammer miniatures, D&D figures, and so on and so forth....but I digress.

The fact of the matter is that in this modern world of mega merger railroads, most people will be exposed to the "bigness" of Railroads. Sure there are many short lines in this world...and most of them are fenced off and in decayed parts of town, or isolated miles from most people. (most americans at least live in Urban areas) Which means those new to the hobby are going to be looking at what they see around them which is massive GEs and EMDs running one of 7 corporate colors. Yes there are regionals that one might have access to, but even those operations are quite expansive.

 

So, IF new people to the hobby today are looking for fidelity to the prototype, then they probably have a desire for something far bigger than what their living space can accommodate, because that's the only prototype that there is left to really know. 

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Virginian and Lake Erie

I supect that other factors are in play

In looking at the parallel between military modelers and model railroaders the biggest difference I see is the ready to run vs kits. MMs are building plastic kits and will display them and dust them. That is pretty much what one can do with one of those models. Railroad models on the other hand can actually be used after they are built!

Biggest difference I see between the two is lots of kits or possibly all kits verses few kits and mostly ready to run, (ready to disassemble). If there were more kits available in the plastic variety possibly those with only space to build kits would be interested in trains as they could build them nd display them until a layout is ready or space is available.

The armchair modeler if in an urban environment could join a club to find space for a layout and then has the layout in a ready to run format instead of the models. For a much smaller investment he gets a layout and a place to house it.

Another option is the modular groups. There are lots of these guys running around and they show up at shows all over the country. Modules do not take up lots of space and they are portable. last time I checked these very things are promoted in the hobby press. MRs project layouts are all fairly small. modular groups are covered from every train show. There are lots of small track plan books out there where one can find something to fit the available foot print.

I believe there are other factors affecting our hobby besides the coverage of layouts and interesting prototypes that drive by the house. How many times have you seen a tank drive by your house? Or an aircraft carrier or military aircraft at altitudes that allow them to be something other than streaks in the sky devoid of details?

Just because there are only a few railroads now verses the hundreds of the past does not mean there is no variety. I'll bet lots of folks are building models of WWII equipment and if one looks at the same time period there is lots of variety as to railroads and equipment to model.

As to attracting model railroaders into the hobby it is likely a simple matter of successful marketing verses unsuccessful. The military modeler can get a kit and he has instructions on how to build it and paint it. In model railroading the more involved kits did this and provided information about the real thing. A ready to disassemble model often has neither and provides no joy of building, and often provides lots of aggravation in rebuilding.

The space availability is an issue as model railroads often need more than a work bench. The folks that do not have space could find it in the club environment. Failure to market clubs via advertising and through contact with the members at shows and other places such as open houses is where the expansion of the hobby lives or dies. Fellowship will attract more people, if it is with people that one wants to associate with. We have all see or heard about the guy that spoiled the club experience for someone because of, insert reason here, we should all work to be the guy that counters that guy. If instead we are a much greater positive than he a negative his effect will be minimized.

My club has a flyer and we do our best to be good hosts to everyone that visits. The easiest way to expand is to ask folks if they want to join, or invite them to come down and visit on days when things are running. After a while both parties will know if you are a good fit for each other.

One other thing the modeling press could be doing is to maintain a list of clubs that have open membership and the scales and type of layouts they operate as well as a point of contact and location of the club. That would make it easy to attract the novice regardless of age and expand our hobby. Another thing that could be done is to have a club column in the magazine that covers events at a railroad club and some photos. It does not have to be some spectacular event just ordinary run of the mill fun and info about the club. It should not be too hard to find a dozen folks each year to put together a few pages and some photos that are reasonably well done.

Remember the key is marketing ourselves in a positive light. Not going into hiding or promoting the negative. I suspect kits coming back to prominence would also help a lot.

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pipopak

This issue pops up every so many years.

I have been around long enough to read articles worrying that (in no particular order) model cars , slot cars, computer games, videos, hot rods, etc, would kill the hobby. Hasn't happened yet because, as I see it, a hobby is a time to relax per definition. You may embrace a particular segment (or more) at any time and go back and forth from trains to something else following your whims. But if you are fanatically following one you just have another job. And jobs wear you off.

End of rant.

Jose.

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Dave.S58

I don't think space is the main issue

I don't know if the space available or featuring large layouts is the crux of the problem. I think the millennials, and younger which would be the target audience, are not getting the education to develop the manual dexterity skills required for the hobby, hence their lack of interest.  Granted that the workforce doesn't require the manual skills of the past, but if one is to help himself through life, a good set of manual skills is a great asset.

I think one saving grace for the model railroad industry is the implementation of all the computer technology that is available and being developed. This should pique the interest of the target audience and help get them hooked into the hobby.

Another thing that would help is when clubs advertise they need to present themselves as fun place to learn those skills by working with a mentor to guide them. Any pictures should include younger members to show that it is not a senior center, to interest younger participation.

DaveS

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pschmidt700

He nails it

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Big layouts sell magazines - not a problem in itself. However, reading and then dreaming about big layouts too often seems to confirm armchair modelers to stay right there - in their armchairs

Yes, ...

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Perhaps if our magazines and the NMRA extolled the benefits of the smaller layout (and honored such layouts with generous coverage), then a golden age of model railroading could lie ahead of us?  

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But we want to get them at an earlier age so some restraint in what we call a great model railroad is called for. The Europeans seem to have worked this out better than we have.

 yes.

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dkramer

Why "save" our hobby?

Model railroading does not need to be saved, nor there is a right or wrong way to approach it.

If a fictional railroad (freelance) is what makes you have a good time why bother it is "childish"? Late Verne Niner's Estrella and Sonora Grande is a work of art, as is Dave Meek's Thunder Mesa.

Why approach children can be detrimental to our hobby? I have my 8 yo niece to come over and she always wants to run trains. If she will grow up to be a MRR is another question, but I became a MRR "reading" my grandfather's MIBA magazine on my father's lap. It is a happy memory of my childhood. My niece barely sees any trains, as rail transport in Brazil is much less developed than in US and Europe. Even though my niece wants to run trains and my home layout is set in Germany in the 50's! that is way before even I was born.

As for big layouts that is a main issue in the US. I have read both European (Continental Modeler) and US magazines (MRH and RMC) and most assuredly Euro Modelers avoid big layouts, which is positive in so many ways. First you can start and "finish" a project in a reasonable amount of time, second that is cheaper, third it takes less space, fourth it allows to take it to meets and other gatherings, including public displays, and last but not least it allows to shift projects as you change interest (era drift, change of scale, prototype, region and such).

In a way MRH is doing something to change this culture in the TOMA approach, as each single module is a layout in its own.

MRR is not dead, and it does not seem to be going in this direction. If the new generation does not have the manual skills needed to model something at least they are tech savvy and with today's 3d printing they can accomplish much more than I can. The whole hobby is shifting (not dying, but changing) into a more technological endeavor. In my grandfather's time he ran the rails, today with DCC I run the train (with sound too). Who can guess what my niece will see in our hobby when she reaches my age (31 years)?

 

Regards,

Daniel Kramer

Daniel Kramer

Currently wondering what my next layout should be...

 

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wcrails

Really?  Another "The hobby

Really?  Another "The hobby is dying" thread?  Good grief!  You are either a person who likes to "model" no matter if it's railroads, trucks, military, buildings, construction equipment,  dioramas, landscapes, people, .....what ever you like to model, maybe even doll houses, the scale doesn't matter, and the subject doesn't matter !,  you are someone who likes to model!  what you have have seen, or what ever would be a good subject, in your own mind!

What we do is finding other people who have the same interest!  and joining in on conversations that pertain to what we like to model.  That's why I'm here, and on other model railroad forum, I like to model trains, in HO scale!  BUT I also like to model other things, as in architectural models, and I'm in other groups that pertain to what I LIKE TO MODEL, never thinking that any hobby is dying.

We don't need to make this difficult, as it's our HOBBY !

Mike.

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musgrovejb

1+1 = 3 ?

I have read the letter twice and fail to see how many of Nicholas's conclusions can be derived from his stated causes.  For the most part the arguments seem nothing more than unfounded opinion.

For example, I find it hard to believe that a "major cause of the shrinking of the hobby" is caused by procrastination based on waiting for the perfect "mega-space."   I don't doubt  people procrastinate over such things but "a major cause",  I don't see it.

Many other arguments such as problems with non-prototypical or "fantasy" layouts, kids ruining the hobby, European style model railroading ushering a new golden age, and other claims seem extremely "left field" and without merit.  

The biggest "gaffe" is the letter makes it sound like military modeling is the big thing now.  However, if my friends in the hobby shop industry are to be believed, scale modeling including military modeling are currently going through a major decline.  

Certainly respect Nicholas's opinions but certainly opinions they are.

 

Joe 

 

Modeling Missouri Pacific Railroad's Central Division, Fort Smith, Arkansas

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLENIMVXBDQCrKbhMvsed6kBC8p40GwtxQ

 

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Joseph Leal

Stop worrying and go play

Stop worrying and go play trains... And let your kids and grandkids play too! Let em break stuff and try to fix it, and leave em alone to do it on their own That's how kids get into this hobby. Just like they get into video games because the parents give them an iPad to keep them quiet (I know all the tricks). If you think this hobby is dying( yea right) YouTube has tons and tons of videos from young modelers of all skill levels
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Pelsea

Don't Panic!

I stopped model railroading in 1965, and picked it up again in 2012.

  • In 1965 I could go to the LHS (a four block walk) and choose from about 50 car, loco, or building kits, from whatever was in stock on about 8 shelf units.
  • Today I can go online and order from a couple of thousand options. My LHS is a 40 minute drive, but it has a selection of books that outnumbers the total stock in my old neighborhood store. This place stocks about 80 locos, and there are test tracks for DC and DCC in all scales.

 

  • In 1965, it was possible to buy a brass locomotive for about the price of a new car, and by changing out half of the fittings and adding more, "superdetail" it so it could almost pass for the real thing in a photograph. (Except for the couplers of course.)
  • Today I can buy a better looking model for the cost of dinner for four at a fine restaurant. (Including wine.)

 

  • In 1965, the best model buildings were made by Revell. I learned to make siding from balsa wood by scraping it with an Xacto knife.
  • Today, lasers.

 

  • In 1965, the best way to get a turnout was to make it myself.
  • Never mind. (But the Fast Tracks tools are a big improvement on what I used to use.)

 

  • In 1965, I made scenery with paper-mache, green sawdust, lichen, and modeling clay.
  • Today I can buy super trees, static grass, and plants accurate enough to need watering.

 

  • In 1965 I waited anxiously for the two monthly magazines, or bought one of the three or four "how-to" books available to learn how to do things.
  • Today I have every technique online, including videos by experts in every area. If specific questions arise, I can get an answer right here in a day or so.

 

  • In 1965, prototype information was at the library-- they had maybe a dozen books I could check out for a week.
  • Today, online again, I can find thousands of photos, even engineering drawings of everything on practically every railroad ever built.

 

  • In 1965, I knew two people who were building model railroads, both my age and experience level.
  • Today, I still know few modelers personally, but I also have, well, here.

I had more space then than I do now, but my allowance now is more than it was then. I don't really see the problem.

pqe

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Brent Ciccone Brentglen

12,700

We recently had our big train show, SUPERTRAIN, here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, 12,700 people came through the doors over two days and lots and lots of those were kids. There were also lots of old folks, teenagers, middle aged folks, all interested in seeing model trains. I don't see any problems with a lack of interest.

If there is group that has potential for getting even more Modellers into the hobby, it would be those in the Maker movement. That is a great overlap with Model railroading where the NMRA or the magazines could approach.

Oh, and the existence of real trains has very little to do with getting people interested in model railroading, the interest in models comes first, then the real thing. A lot of the people I know that are MR's have never even ridden on a train. Thomas and Polar express and especially LEGO all seem to lead down this slippery slope for young people. Not sure what brings adults into the fold, maybe train shows? More likely a parent, grandparent or friend gets them interested.

I don't have the slightest concern that there will be any lack of Model Railroaders in the future.

 

Brent Ciccone

Calgary

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jimfitch

McLean Virginia - just up the

McLean Virginia - just up the road from me; my sister goes to church there and the new DC Silver metro line passes through.

It does seem that based on the letter, people are going to easily associate it with "the hobby is dying" theme.  I guess its a subject some like to nurture; perhaps in some cases because they believe it and want to find a way to revitalize what they believe is a waning hobby, and others because they may get some kind of strange satisfaction in propagating a message of gloom.

Regarding ideas in the letter.  Yes, I 've seen small layouts promoted in the magazines before and thats all I could have considered for the 15 years prior to my wife and I buying a townhouse with a small basement.  But part of the problem is "construction" was still something I didn't relish where I didn't have a space to do the messy things that are entailed in layout building.  I'm not a real modeler either; I don't enjoy building, crafting, painting, adding details to etc. trains.  I like trains and I want to model a RR but I don't really enjoy the "modeling" part - it's more a "necessary evil" which I will  have to participate at some level if I want my trains to be more realistic - weathering and the like.  I know that cuts against the grain, but it is what it is.

I noticed the letter mentioned "abandoned the hobby for girls and cars; again just like model railroaders. They get back into the hobby after marriage puts an end to their wilder days"  It implies the train fan goes through a phase and then is able to get back into the hobby after marriage puts and end to the wilder days.  This suggests that the average modeler settles down, has a good job, and can purchase a nice (even modest) house with space for a layout in a basement, room or garage. 

What this idea forgets is an ugly statistic that the average modeler does not strictly conforms to that model, the reason being that 50% or more marriage end up divorced.  That D word has a major impact on the hobby and not in a good way.  What it means, and I speak from personal experience, is the modeler often ends up financially strapped and living in a tiny apartment, often for most the duration of the kids growing up and it may not end until they are done with college ($$$), or until the modeler manages to re-marry and has the stability and financial means to have a better living status because he is in a dual income household again.  So if 50% of all marriages end in divorce, and add to that the recession, layoffs etc. that puts a serious drag on moral and the ability to model.  That is something I never see mentioned but I believe is a big factor.  Just saying...

In conclusion, military modeling may really only carry over to a limited segment of train hobbyists which like to do the same type of modeling - as in working on static models, rather than really wanting to build a decent sized layout and actually running trains.  The original letter really IMO only applies to a portion of the train hobby, and at that, possibly a lot less than half.

Jim Fitch

 

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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Benny

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What this idea forgets is an ugly statistic that the average modeler does not strictly conforms to that model, the reason being that 50% or more marriage end up divorced.  That D word has a major impact on the hobby and not in a good way.  What it means, and I speak from personal experience, is the modeler often ends up financially strapped and living in a tiny apartment, often for most the duration of the kids growing up and it may not end until they are done with college ($$$), or until the modeler manages to re-marry and has the stability and financial means to have a better living status because he is in a dual income household again.  So if 50% of all marriages end in divorce, and add to that the recession, layoffs etc. that puts a serious drag on moral and the ability to model.  That is something I never see mentioned but I believe is a big factor.  Just saying...

There's pretty damn good reason why I stay single, I remind myself...I don't need the insecurity that comes with a wife!

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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jimfitch

For example, I find it hard

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For example, I find it hard to believe that a "major cause of the shrinking of the hobby" is caused by procrastination based on waiting for the perfect "mega-space."   I don't doubt  people procrastinate over such things but "a major cause",  I don't see it.

Well, I'll be honest, I waited a good 15 year for a layout space.  One or two of the apartments may have had enough room to squeeze in a 4x8 but no place to do messy stuff like cutting wood, painting, plaster etc.  Now I couldn't wait for a "mega" space but I did have to wait for a decent space.  When my wife and I were hunting for a house to buy in the very expensive Washington DC area, having room for trains was on our "must have" list.  She faithfully hunted and hunted and eventually we found a townhouse with a basement that had a 10x18' room; it was the best we could manage and but yes, I did wait for it for many years.  So the letter author did have a point that some modelers do end up waiting - the debate may really be on what they are waiting for. My standards weren't that I needed a mega basement but just a decent sized dedicated layout room that I could put something significantly bigger than a 4x8.  I'm working on it presently:

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There's pretty damn good reason why I stay single, I remind myself...I don't need the insecurity that comes with a wife!

It's not necessarily a good thing that single life.  It's not for everyone; I lived the single life from 2000 until 2011, and it was not really a happy time.  Statistics are that single men do not, on the average live as long as those who are married.  Plus, you can have a higher standard of living if you have a two in-come household, which for me since I remarried, the two in-come house hold has made it possible for us, together, to afford a home with a space for trains.  My wife goes with me to train shows and supports my hobby.  So it's better to take your time, and choose wisely young padowan.

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Stop worrying and go play trains... And let your kids and grandkids play too!

Let em break stuff and try to fix it, and leave em alone to do it on their own

 You can go ahead, but I'm not letting little fingers get any where near my Tangent freight cars or detailed engines.  I don't have a second set of "junk" trains for that purpose so I'll leave it up to the model train missionaries. 

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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Dave K skiloff

Yeah...

While I don't disagree with everything, I do disagree with the premise that "fantasy" layouts turn kids off.  When I showed my kids the fantasy thread, that actually appealed to them more than my trains.  I think others have covered most of the same ground I would cover.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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Rich_S

Thoughts on current direction of the hobby

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Perhaps if our magazines and the NMRA extolled the benefits of the smaller layout (and honored such layouts with generous coverage), then a golden age of model railroading could lie ahead of us?

I'm not sure the magazine don't extol the benefits of smaller layouts. Model Railroader magzine's "Project Railroads" over the last several years have been small layouts. The March MR features several small layouts, one even based on a project railroad. The Great Model Railroads annual magazine featured a Hollow Core Door railroad just a few years ago and N scale magazine has features small layouts. So I have to ask the question, are the magazines really only focusing on large home layouts, or are those the only layouts being presented for publication? 

As for kit building; Let's face it, if model railroad car kits and locomotive kits sold like hot cakes, every manufacture would produce them. The trend today is to purchase super detailed, sound and DCC equipped locomotives and super detailed rolling stock. If there was still a big demand for kit building, super detailing, painting and decaling, Testors would still be selling Floquil and Polly Scale paints.

Maybe the real reason we don't see more young people publishing small layouts, diorama, etc in the magazines is either,

A) They feel what they've produced is not on par with what they see in the magazines or on the internet

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B) They are unsure how to get an article published.

I have a small N scale Hollow Core Door layout and that blog can be found on this web site. I am not a young person, but I feel my layout is not good enough for publication. It's good enough for me, but maybe I'm under the false pretense that the layouts featured in the magazines are the best of the best? 

Maybe the real reason people perceive the hobby as declining is because, fewer young people seem to get the traditional train set for Christmas?

 

Cheers,

Rich S.

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lnxlnx

From the UK

Well as some one from the UK, this debate "Is the hobby dying" is just as common here. 

 

And yes, UK modelers tend to use a lot less real estate per layout;

And yes, the UK population is very train aware; a small country with a very effective and well used passenger system.

 

But that still doesn't stop the debate or the popular view that modelers are retired men with money to burn.

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jimfitch

I'm married to a Brit and my

I'm married to a Brit and my wife and I have spent a little time visiting British modelers last time were were over that side of the pond in Dec 2014 and my experiences confirms what Inxlnx said.  The hobby seems to be very alive and well in the UK and a higher per capita percentage of people interested in trains and modeling them.  Sounds like even in a "richer" train environment with a higher density of train enthusiasts... the debate rages on.

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While I don't disagree with everything, I do disagree with the premise that "fantasy" layouts turn kids off.  When I showed my kids the fantasy thread, that actually appealed to them more than my trains.  I think others have covered most of the same ground I would cover.

Dave

Dave, from what I see, I think you are totally right.  Youngsters have lots of imagination and aren't bothered much at all by fantasy layouts - if anything they thrive on it!  I agree. 

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Jim Fitch
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It might take a while for

It might take a while for those that have been in the hobby for a long time to realize that the hobby, as a whole, isn't dying. It's their view of the hobby that is dying.  Take a look at YouTube, Shapeways, Facebook and the like and you will see what a vital hobby this is.  You'll see plenty of guys (still mainly guys) in their 30s and younger posting videos and photos, asking questions and participating in the community that is today's Model Railroading.

If you want to freeze the hobby as it was in years past, you will find that old version is dying. Thank goodness. Before the internet it was difficult for me to fraternize with modelers outside of my local community. I now regularly talk with a couple of model railroaders from Australia and England, several others across the US and Canada via Skype or Google Hangouts. I exchange info with an even larger group via Facebook or the old message boards. 

(By the way, the AP stylebook now says "internet" and "web" are so common that they shouldn't be capitalized any longer, does that give you an idea of how large they are in daily life?)

This is the new community of model railroaders and that's where many of the new members hang out. They don't need clubs and a national organization to meet others. They just do a quick search. They don't need those two magazines that come once a month (at a price) to learn technique. They just go to the internet where you can find resources like the one we are using right now.

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I have a small N scale Hollow Core Door layout and that blog can be found on this web site. I am not a young person, but I feel my layout is not good enough for publication. It's good enough for me, but maybe I'm under the false pretense that the layouts featured in the magazines are the best of the best? 

Maybe the real reason people perceive the hobby as declining is because, fewer young people seem to get the traditional train set for Christmas?

Rich,

I think you are, in fact, underselling yourself.  Look at Dave Vollmer's HCD Juniata Division - he's been in Great Model Railroads, N Scale Magazine, and he's all over internet fora.  I've seen his layout twice in person, and yes, its well done - but it's on par with your work.  He's got Unitrak under ballast in several sections, and he's redone some scenery over the years as he's learned new stuff. And he's a "young guy" early 40's.  

As to train sets - yes, there are fewer of them under the tree then there used to be.  My kids don't have one of their own yet because they are learning to run daddy's trains.  They do have tons of Thomas wooden trains, which can easily take over a living room.  They also go to train shows with me, and they will be going to the CRHS RailBQ in Pennsylvania with me next month as well.

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It might take a while for those that have been in the hobby for a long time to realize that the hobby, as a whole, isn't dying. It's their view of the hobby that is dying.  Take a look at YouTube, Shapeways, Facebook and the like and you will see what a vital hobby this is.  You'll see plenty of guys (still mainly guys) in their 30s and younger posting videos and photos, asking questions and participating in the community that is today's Model Railroading.

If you want to freeze the hobby as it was in years past, you will find that old version is dying. Thank goodness.

gsinos,

I think you nailed it.  John Allen (or John Armstrong) publishing multi-part articles on scratchbuilding brass locos is not our hobby anymore.  Personally I LOVE that I can get new scenery techniques delivered to me every week from the UK through YouTube, and my ability to talk to modlelers in Spain in near real time has given a resurgent feeling to my long dormant love of all things RENFE from the 1980's  We also have MANY more speciality publications thanks to the e-zines, and having written for both MRH and N Scale Magazine I have to say I like the e-zine approach better (not that I am writing as much as I could I suppose).

We also have reliable locos in N scale with true detail fidelity, and rolling stock that rivels anything the HO or O folks can throw out.  Frankly, at 45, I'm more excited to be a hobbyist now then ever before.

Philip H. Chief Everything Officer Baton Rouge Southern Railroad, Mount Rainier Div.

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jimfitch

I agree with gsinos and

I agree with gsinos and Philip.

gsinos said: "It might take a while for those that have been in the hobby for a long time to realize that the hobby, as a whole, isn't dying. It's their view of the hobby that is dying.  Take a look at YouTube, Shapeways, Facebook and the like and you will see what a vital hobby this is.  You'll see plenty of guys (still mainly guys) in their 30s and younger posting videos and photos, asking questions and participating in the community that is today's Model Railroading."

The world and how we do things really has changed a great deal so what people perceive through "old school" eyes may be very deceiving.  For example, in many area's of merchandise, buying is done online vs. brick and mortar stores.  So those who lament the loss of the "good old local hobby shop" need to be aware that sales are still going on without them, and hobby goods are moving in the new way of buying/selling through parcels from Ebay, online vendors, private individuals etc.  I buy 90-95% of my trains that way and I'm probably not alone. 

And I've also mentioned that there are a lot of new and exciting products from ExactRail, Tangent, Moloco, Fox Valley, Wheels of Time, Trainworx,ScaleTrains as well some veteran companies like Athearn, Atlas, Accurail, Intermountain, Concor, KATO, Kadee etc.

As Monty Python put it, I think the hobby "isn't dead yet", in fact it might pull through and be alright!

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Jim Fitch
northern VA

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