tomebe

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Folsom Station circa 1962

An employee timetable was a great help in determining which and in what order stations could appear on my layout. In the case of the Placerville Branch, a 1937 SP employee timetable gave me all the station information I needed.  As shown, there were 21 scheduled station stops from Brighton at MP 94.7 to Placerville MP 148.7. Further there are 16 “additional stations” listed. Quite a combination of stations and flag stops to think about!

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Given my room's dimensions (11 x 27), the number of rail served industries I wanted to represent, and the era(s) that interested me, I chose to split the branch in the middle of the timetable, at Folsom, as the modeled starting point. Everything west from Folsom drops into staging. In the eastward direction, from Folsom and ending at Placerville, there are 37.6 prototype miles of branch line. Although not listed in the SP timetable, I included Camino as an extension of the Placerville branch. I did this because I wanted to represent the Michigan/California Lumber Co., a consistent revenue source for SP. Although the branch formally ended in upper Placerville, the far eastward end of the line included Camino and was switched by the CP< or the Camino, Placerville and Lake Tahoe Railroad. There were several reasons why SP gave up trackage rights to the CP< in upper Placerville. Most notably, deferred track maintenance making travel by the ubiquitous and ever present 2-8-0 risky. During high fruit season, when business at the Placerville Fruit Growers Association was humming, the consolidations were alive and well helping to switch and run PFE reefers blocks off the branch to Roseville. Otherwise the CP< used its standard gauge shays early and in 1953, a pair of GE 44 tonners for loads and MTY's to and from Placerville, as well as switch jobs in the upper end of town.  

I further eliminated stations where research indicated repetitive rail served industries. For instance, I eliminated White Rock since its only rail service was livestock and a passenger stop. I already had 3 rail served livestock pens along the route; El Dorado livestock Co., Diamond Springs Livestock Co., and Latrobe Livestock.  I added one passenger flag stop to the list after I read stories of #45 McKeen car flag stopped at Flonellis to pick up milk cans bound for Pino Grande and the men working the Mich/Cal.

The lower level of the Placerville Branch excluding staging, starts at Folsom, then Latrobe, Dugan, Shingle Springs ending at El Dorado, before crossing the dreaded duck under at the entrance door

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The upper level, starting at the door and continuing eastbound, to Diamond Springs, Lower and Upper Placerville and terminating at Camino.

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I mentioned in earlier posts that this double deck design does not include a helix to connect the two decks, rather a 2% grade runs ever upward between switching points to enable a 42" height at Folsom and the 64" end height at Placerville. Of course there are disadvantages to this design, mainly due to decrease space between the upper and lower decks; and in my case that would be on the peninsula. At Dugan there is 12" between the upper and lower deck, 11" at Shingle Springs and at its narrowest of 8" clearance at  El Dorado. A photo of that appears below;

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I think this is best done with narrow shelving, so a diorama effect can occur with careful modeling and scene setting. I recall reading an article in MRH, whereby an author mentioned being intimidated or unwilling to set and hold varying grades on their layout. My design required a constant balance between the required grade, level switching points and realistic heights. Obviously 64" is over the eye level and reach of some, but with the help of a couple of store bought, and stable step stools that problem although not eliminated is all part of the compromise.

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THillebrant

Nice!

Nice description of the planning for a nice looking layout.  Definitely looking forward to more installments!

Tom

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tomebe

nice

thanks Tom - glad your enjoying it - Tom

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ctxmf74

Nice looking layout

    As an old SP fan I love the location. I never saw the Folsom yard in operation but did the trains have to reverse direction when they came from Sac and headed up toward Placerville? ......DaveB

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Great work

Great work Tom.  I keep thinking of this as a new layout you're planning, and then I see another photo and realize that you're probably further along than I am...after 16 years of building mine!

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tomebe

reverse running out of Folsom editied


Dave -  There are 2 answers to this. . First,  passenger service out to Pville, which existed until sometime in 1937, made a turn on a newly built TT at Folsom to reverse direction. Understand that the Folsom yard never existed after sometime late in the 1800's when SP took over the CP operations there and moved it all to Sacramento. There was a smaller TT at Folsom, which was uncovered recently and is all part of a park today. A larger TT was built just for the McKeen Car though.

There was a wye of course, and my understanding is that only cars bound for Folsom - which, depending on era could include, Standard Oil, Earl Fruit, a piping manufacturer - whose name I don't know, Stirling Lumber and the Folsom Prison quarry. West and East bound meets would have been made by schedule at White Rock which is east of Folsom. I think that shows up on the old timetable I published.  The EB freight would have run straight into Folsom, cut off the cars for Folsom industries, and brought them past the station to a stub serving Stirling lumber and Standard Oil. Further down was the quarry at Folsom Prison. I assume, but don't know if there was a runaround there. After set out, they would have reversed through town went up one leg of the wye, then down the other, picked up the rest of their train and continued EB toward Placerville. Similar, but opposite moves utilizing the wye would have to be made WB I would suspect.

I'm answering this "off the top," but I do have Folsom track maps so if I'm full of beans here I'll let you know. I'm sitting looking at the track map of Folsom, so I think my conclusions are correct. Most of the old hands who worked the branch who I've talked to, didn't have any reason to go into Folsom. The station map I have dates originally from 1939 and was last appended in the late 50's. By the 80's I suppose it was gone.

Hope this answers your question

 

Tom Ebert

 

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tomebe

great work

thanks Joe

I've been in building mode since 2010. I'm retired, so I have some advantage as to the time element. I started the blog to tell a story of building the Placerville branch is all. I think my Pville branch is much smaller at 11 x 27, compared to 33 x 33 - you got a bit more territory then I do. I'm not close to finish though and I do look at it as enjoying the ride vs. worrying about completion I think. In any case its always or mostly fun, and always has me thinking about what's next.

Tom Ebert

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Size

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I think my Pville branch is much smaller at 11 x 27, compared to 33 x 33 - you got a bit more territory then I do.

Hi Tom - Those 33'x33' dimensions of my layout are actually a bit deceptive due to the floor plan of our old house.  It's actually more like 16'x33' of layout floor space, connecting two rooms in opposite corners of the 33'x33' basement.

All the same, I completely agree with you about enjoying the journey.  And it looks like you're doing a beautiful job of it!

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musgrovejb

Nice!

Nice Work!

Modeling Missouri Pacific Railroad's Central Division, Fort Smith, Arkansas

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tomebe

size

Thanks Joe - Years ago when I lived on acreage and had a 1600 Sq ft shop I started to build a GN based layout, modeled after the cascade division. I was hellbent on building it Wenatchee to Skykomish - but got discouraged about quarter of the way through. Too much layout, not enough acquired skill, not enough time (I was still working then), and not enough patience. I recall talking to Jack Burgess at a LDSIG meet in Santa Clara one year. He thought that not having the patience and trying to complete everything all at once was a mistake most beginner layout builders make. I'd have to agree with that, back then and now. The other is building in a vacuum, particularly if your a newbie at layout building. There are just so many pitfalls and so much to learn. I had a good friend, come in and lay about 80% of the Pville's track; I did the rest when I finally got it! I built close to 90% of his scenery and painted his backdrops that took me about 6 months to complete. I really enjoyed it and I'm glad we were able to exchange skills, otherwise he would have had a plywood empire and I would have struggled with easements, setting radius etc all without a mentor.

 

Tom

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