Stevenpud

Is it prototypical for a mixed consist train en route to a classification yard to pass customers that may be receiving some of those cars? Meaning would the railroad sort those cars for delivery in the yard first or would they know in advance that those cars need to be placed and just spot them where necessary? Here's why I ask:

My new layout was originally planned as a freelance point to point switching layout with a classification/staging yard on one end. However, my 3 small children want to see trains go around in circles (I'm sure I'm not the only one with this dilemma). I tried to add a "hidden" loop to the existing plan but then the problem of them standing on chairs to see over the 48" bench work became a problem as well. I added in a lower level at 30" high which allowed me to put in a loop for the kids plus a separate staging yard which I decided could also be an interchange point for my freelance with Norfolk Southern (I already own 2 Kato NS Dash 9's).

So now my plan is to have either my freelance or NS bring "full" cars out of staging, around the lower level, up a helix, and then arrive at the classification yard. That train would then drop those cars, pick up "empties" and make the return trip back down to staging. Most of my switching was going to be on the upper level but now on the new lower level I have some empty space where I can add a couple of industries as well. However, trains would be going past them on their way to the classification yard. Would that be correct or should those industries be serviced immediately? Any feedback would be appreciated.  

Steve

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Benny

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Inbound outbound freight would not stop to drop off local cars UNLESS the freight has instructions to do so.

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demcop35

The normal way it works is a

The normal way it works is a "manifest freight" originates in a classification yard and has another classification yard as a final destination. It's job is to move cars from yard A to yard B (or any other classification yard along the way that it is directed to "work"). At yard B any cars  that are destined for local industries serviced by that yard are placed on a "local" train. This local goes to all the industries it is scheduled to work and sets out deliveries and makes pickups (takes those pick ups back to its yard).

Frank

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Greg Baker Mountaingoatgreg

I agree

Unless you had a local come out of staging to switch the customers I agree the train would deliver them to the yard to be blocked then taken out to spot at those industries later. 

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Bill Brillinger

Loads 'n' Empties

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So now my plan is to have either my freelance or NS bring "full" cars out of staging, around the lower level, up a helix, and then arrive at the classification yard. That train would then drop those cars, pick up "empties" and make the return trip back down to staging.

As an aside; consider that not all industries will receive loads, some will get empty cars and ship ful ones. Trains are usually made up of a combination of loads and empties. The common thread is that all the cars in a train are going in the same general direction.  

Bill Brillinger

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Stevenpud

Thank you all for the quick

Thank you all for the quick responses. I knew manifests and locals were separate but as I'm laying out the track plan it just wasn't looking right. Now I feel better about it. Sometimes you just need an outside opinion. And Bill, I just used "full" and "empty" as a generalization to show the flow of traffic. Thus the "quotes". If all goes according to plan I will have plenty of each moving in both directions!

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Peter Pfotenhauer

If your local is a turn,

If your local is a turn, running out from a yard and returning to the starting point, the crew might very well save facing point turnout industries for the return trip.

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ctxmf74

"If your local is a turn,

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"If your local is a turn, running out from a yard and returning to the starting point, the crew might very well save facing point turnout industries for the return trip."

Yeah, they'd have to have a very good reason to work facing point spurs if they were coming back by later. I occasionally saw the SP do it at the old Capitola freight house  track. They came by in the morning and returned in the evening , I've seen them drop cars there so the customer could unload them that day. Of course they had a full crew and knew how to make a drop but most of the time they'd wait for the return trip .....DaveB

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beachbum

Different classes of trains

IME, the through or Z-trains or "hotshots" go from Yard A to Yard B while locals do the switching along the mainline.  However, my best friends's dad was a brakie on tne SOO running from Gladstone, MI to Rhinelander, WI and his trains acted like a hybrid - most cars were through freight, but they would also stop to switch customers along the way.  Keep in mind this was pretty much a backwoods run, but I'd say the precedent exists to do pretty much whatever you want.

You might want to check out current Iowa Interstate ops also.  Not an expert, but I thought CBBI / BICB switch along rhe way.

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David Husman dave1905

Exceptions

You can always find exceptions, but probably 99% of the time, the through freights go through with no work (that's why the exceptions are exceptions and not the norm).

Traditionally crews were paid at three rates :  Through freight, local and yard.  Through freight crews got a different rate of pay (higher) if they switched industries.  The only reason you would have a through freight work industries is if it allowed the railroad to NOT run a local.   We had a run between Houston and Ft worth 30 years ago that had to work one or two remaining industries on line.  So rather than run a "local' they paid the through freight crew local rate wheever the spotted the occaisional car, once or twice a month. 

On another territory they designated a through freight as a local even though it didn't do any local work.  On that territory they couldn't have traveling switch engines (through freight crews that operated like yard engines) unless they had a local over the territory, so one train was the designated "local" even though it did not local work, didn't spot a single industry.  But it did allow the railroad to operate TSE's along its route.

However on virtually all the other routes, the hundreds of through freights a week did no local work, regardless of bulk trains, mixed freight trains, intermodal trains, auto trains, they went through with no local work.

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