KnuT

I like the infinite baffle design that MRHs DCC columnist Bruce P  often writes about, latest in this months DCC column.  I want to use that whenever possible in my own locomotives.

Just a week before an op session in June 2014 one of my crew came on a visit. He is mostly an 0-scaler and I models in HO. We began to talk about sound setting etc, and went down in the basement for running and testing.

This was  the time when Joe A and Mike C wrote about there testings and settings on their Tsunami decoders with brakes and kind of extreme settings.

I did not have a loco with Tsunami that day, but I did have such decoders on hand.The next days I did a rather quick and dirty installation in a Walthers Proto F7B unit.

My plan for this unit was to cut away some of the metal in one end of the chassis making space for a High Bass speaker and use some plywood for the baffle.
I did not have time for that, nor the tools and skills, so I used a 16x35mm oval speaker instead..
I cut  some heavy cardstock, made openings for wire and the speaker.

The speaker was fastened and sealed by some bluetack rolled around the speaker.
The Tsunamidecoder was fastened to the cardstock with karpon tape.

Here is a photo of this installation:
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The F7A unit has a Soundtraxx Mobile Decoder without sound. This decoder was set up so it matched the settings of the sounddecoder, including the brake settings.

I must admit the brakefunction is fun. I can rev up the engine and then release the brake and the locos roll out.

I have set  up the brakefunction to work on F6 as I am using Digitrax UT4D throttles.
Joe A set up the F4 button  so the engine goes in idle, but without sound of the Dynamic brakes. I tested that, but since I have heavy grades I also have tested with notch 8 instead. In the end I will probably use the dynamic brake function for dynamic brakes since the engines also has do bring the trains down those heavy grades.

A friend from way up north visited me this autumn and shot a video of this F7AB consist:

 
The grade is built as a testbed to see if my trains will make the grades I plan to use on my layout.
3,5% from the yard which then goes down to 2,5% in the 24” radius turnbackcurve.

Then the grade is 3% also through the 28” reverse curve.

You can see and hear the engines struggle through that one.

Here is the current Trackplan of my P&SF layout. Some, if not all track, is temporary, but we have had many fun op sessions on the layout.

PS

I think you will like my friend Terje’s website  arctictrains.com with photos of heavy electric ore trains north of the polarcircle in Norway and Sweden.

KnuT

The P&SF / My blog at MRH

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Prof_Klyzlr

Infinite baffle

Dear Knut,

...and here's the results, as seen by Izotope RX5

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Notes:
- We're specfically focussing on the 24-46sec portion of the clip
- There appears to be a reasonably significant and constant Low-mid (most people would call it "bass") tone happening around 110-120Hz. This is the "engine throb" audible in the clip.
- There is significant 400 and 700Hz content evident, filling-out to a low-mid rumble as the locos pass by the camera (Who said HO onboard installs couldn't physically produce doppler?)
- The Bad News is that the vast majority of that "low mid" energy is swamped by a noticable co-incident-in-time increase in 1000Hz - 2500Hz energy. Indeed, the average person even listening on really accurate speakers would say that "the bass disappeared" (It did _not_ disappear, the higher-frequencies just became more pronounced and "shouted over" the lower-mid/bass frequencies).
- From 35sec onwards, one can track each individual "clickety" and "clack" of the wheelsets in the trailing cars,
these "clickety clacks" have a wide frequency spread covering 50Hz - 16000Hz. (Check the vertical lines of orange which _exactly_ match each "clickety clack" 4-hit sequence).
- The digitally-compressed and aliased "wheel<> rail rub" sound is contributing a significant ammount to the 50Hz - 2500Hz range, long after the loco consist has passed the camera, IE from 35sec onwards.

There's a number of things which can be inferred from this clip,
but with the limits of the camera mic, YT audio compression,
the effects of the train consist and track/roadbed acoustics,
and the train<> Mic relative-position changing thru the clip,

it's difficult to draw accurate or meaningful conclusions...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

 

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KnuT

Wow-effect

Thank you, Prof! I got a wow-effect of your Isotop RX test picture.
The video was also quick and dirty shot with an iPhone 6. 

Your comments are interesting, but such analyzes is way out of my league. Still I appreciate the comments as I am always willing to learn. And I want the best possible sound.

I have not come around mounting the high bass speaker, nor tested with iPhone 5 speakers i have. But I think I adjusted the equalizer per instructions from the Soundtraxx blog.
Of course I should take my time an listen and adjust and listen.

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duckdogger

Graphic equalizer tweaking

As a suggestion, set the Tsunami graphic equalizer CV 153 to a value of 7 to allow tuning CVs 154 through 160. I would start with 154 and 155 at 50, 156 at 190, 157 at 80, 158 at 20, and 159 and 160 at 128. Notice the difference in sound and continue tweaking from there. This speaker is likely not going to produce quality sound at the lower frequencies controlled by CVs 154 and 155.

As the Professor pointed out, the bass did not die but was merely over shadowed by the midrange frequencies as the throttle increased. Another possible factor, as the back of the speaker is open, does the Walthers body have open fans and sides? Maybe out of phase sound is impacting the sound reaching our ears?

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KnuT

Will try your settings

Thank you. I will try your settings and do some tweaking, but not tonight. They differ from the settings on the soundtraxx blog.

I do not think there are open fans or grills in the Walther Proto body. But will take an other look.

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duckdogger

Values are install dependent.

Your speaker may have subtle differences from another of the same model. Your loco body may add "color", warmth if you will, which impacts what your ears transmit to your brain.

The Professor is a sound professional so heed any of his advice. I did and it made a huge difference in the sounds of my locos.  Good hunting.

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KnuT

Thank you

Thank you for reminding me that I need to adjust every loco.
And I know the Prof is a sound pro - and he is a modelrailroader! I sure will listen to his advices. 

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