anteaum2666

I've been working on my HO Scale Nicholas & Ashley Creek Railway for a couple of years now, but really started in earnest over the past few months.  Since my efforts include many topics discussed on these forums, I thought it would be fun to chronicle my building here.  If you read further, enjoy!

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 12
musgrovejb

Looking forward to it!

Post away sir!  Looking forward to it!

Joe

Modeling Missouri Pacific Railroad's Central Division, Fort Smith, Arkansas

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLENIMVXBDQCrKbhMvsed6kBC8p40GwtxQ

 

Reply 0
anteaum2666

N&AC Track Plan

My Nicholas & Ashley Creek is based partly on the Nicholas Fayette and Greenbrier in Nicholas County WV.  Why?  Because I like coal trains and lumber trains.  I like the look of WV (though I live in Ohio).  My Father and Grandfather worked for the C&O.  And my Son's name is Nicholas.  (Awards if you can guess my Daughter's name.)

The trackplan I came up with in CADRail is a double deck, partial mushroom with double ended staging below the lower deck.  This means THREE helixes in my 14'x25' space, but that's okay with me.  

Staging

CStaging.jpg 

First Level

werLevel.jpg 

Second Level

perLevel.jpg 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 0
anteaum2666

Train Room

The first year or so was spent preparing the train room.  The basement room had 2 florescent light fixtures and was painted green and red, with wainscoting at the bottom.  Finishing the room involved:

  • Tear out the wainscoting and finish the drywall
  • Upgrade from 2 lights to 8
  • Add wiring for blue "night" lighting and first deck lighting under the second deck
  • Add a separate circuit for layout power
  • Paint the room a basic sky blue with some wispy clouds

Before

ainRoom1.jpg 

After

Room%202.jpg 

With a little bit of benchwork started . . .

ainRoom3.jpg 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 1
anteaum2666

Foam Benchwork

Much has been posted online and in the press on foam benchwork.  I'm a big foam benchwork advocate.  My basic layout benchwork is either open grid or L-Girder.  The tops are all foam.  I find foam easy to work with, easy to carve, and easy to make changes.  It's light and not too expensive.  Some I've even gotten for free as construction site scrap.

I glue the foam with Hot Glue, and it stays put.  It doesn't swell or warp with changes in temperature or humidity.  About the only drawbacks are that it is a little more susceptible to damage and it's a little louder.  The sound issue largely disappears once scenery is added.

I even build my helixes from foam!  I've built three, and they perform flawlessly!  

Here are some photos of my construction progress.

Staging level

nchwork1.jpg 

nchwork2.jpg 

nchwork3.jpg 

Start of main level above staging . . .

nchwork4.jpg 

nchwork5.jpg 

nchwork6.jpg 

nchwork7.jpg 

nchwork8.jpg 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 0
anteaum2666

CMRI and JMRI on the N&AC

I'm big into electronics and I love the way working signals look on a model railroad.  I also like how they can enhance the realism of operations.  Signals can add considerable expense and complexity to building a model railroad, but hey, whatever makes you happy as a builder is worth it, IMHO.

So, after considerable research, I settled on Bruce Chubb's excellent C/MRI system coupled with the equally excellent JMRI software.  I run JMRI on my Windows 7 laptop, and so far have one S/MINI and a couple of ODMB (occupancy detector mother board).  I've also included two Digitrax DS64 stationary decoders and use programmed routes to select tracks in my staging yard.  

JMRI makes the Chubb detectors and S/MINI play very well with the DS64 and my Digitrax system.  The result:  one button selection of staging tracks and a future signalled mainline.

As an added bonus, I can run my trains with my iPhone, my daughter's iPod Touch and my iPad.  Very cool!

CMRI1.jpg 

CMRI2.jpg 

CMRI3.jpg 

CMRI4.jpg ingPanel.jpg 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 0
davebr40

Awesome!

I really like your design, and your work to date looks great.  I look forward to following your posts as you build!  (Back in the 1980s and 90s, I used to operate Conrail's Track Geometry Train over part of the NF&G.  I always thought "what a great model this would make"!)

-Dave

 

Reply 0
jumstead

Great design!

Where in OH are you located?

Reply 0
Jeff Schumaker jschumaker

Nice progress

Things are moving along nicely, Mike. I hope to see more photos, soon.

Jeff S.

modeling HOn30 in NW Ohio

Reply 0
anteaum2666

NF&G

Very cool!  I've never actually visited the NF&G.  The closest I've gotten is Clifton Forge.  I'm mainly relying on information from the C&O Historical Society, which is awesome, and general West Virgina photos and information.

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 0
anteaum2666

I wanted the entrance to my

I wanted the entrance to my train room to have a dramatic scene; something to set the tone for the layout.  I settled on a mountain to provide a view block from the rest of the layout, and to focus the viewer's attention on the scene.  My plan was to include a rocky gorge with a waterfall and steel trestle.  

I purchased some rock molds, abutment molds and materials from Bragdon Enterprises, and I'm very pleased with the results.  It's an excellent product and Joel Bragdon has been very helpful.  I can't recommend him and his products highly enough.

You can judge the success of my efforts in the scenes that follow.

Here's the spot for the gorge.  You see this when you enter the train room.

%20-%201.jpg 

I built the mountain out of foam.  The mountain will also hide the helix inside. The bridge is Micro Engineering with an extension kit.  The bridge piers are 3D printed by a friend.  My future son-in-law Jeremy helped me install the fascia.

%20-%202.jpg 

%20-%203.jpg 

%20-%204.jpg 

At this point the rest of the room is hidden from casual observation, as intended.

%20-%205.jpg 

Bragdon Enterprises' excellent rock product.

%20-%206.jpg 

%20-%207.jpg 

I'm still adding puffball trees . . .   The waterfall is made using Woodland Scenics Water Effects and Realistic Water.  I really like these products, and they're less expensive when you buy them at Hobby Lobby with a coupon!

%20-%208.jpg 

 

%20-%209.jpg 

20-%2010.jpg 

20-%2011.jpg 

 

You can view a short (30 second) video of an H4 2-6-6-2 crossing the trestle here. 

  I hope you enjoyed this post.

 

 

 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 2
sdbanjo

Great work!

Looks amazing and love the JMRI/CMRI system! Looking forward to hearing more about it as you build it out.  Also the rockwork from Bragdon Enterprises supplies looks amazing. Thank you for the updates and looking forward to more!

Reply 0
AlanR

Waterfall!

Wow! That is one of the most natural looking waterfalls I have seen!  Looks like it is literally following the rocks and crevices as it goes down the slope and splits.  Nice work!

Alan Rice

Amherst Belt Lines / Amherst Railway Society, Inc.

Reply 0
anteaum2666

Thanks!

Thank you for the nice compliment!  When I colored the rocks using Bragdon's method, I used some green and watched where it flowed.  Then I created the waterfall along the same path.  I'm glad you like how it worked out. 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 0
skiwiggy

Back on 12/21/2015 you mentioned

You Wrote

Terrific Modeling!

Wow, this looks great!  Nice work.

I'm at the "will I ever get trains running" stage, but hope to catch up to you in a year or two.

 

I think you caught up and passed me by since I don't have any scenery close to what you have done!  Back at you Terrific Modeling!  I love the bridge and waterfall scene.  Looks Like I am the one that has to catch up now.

Greg

Reply 0
John Winter

@Michael....

Foam Helix? I'm very interested in you foam helix construction. Could you elaborate on the construction technique?

Type and size of foam used for example?         Thanks, John

Reply 0
anteaum2666

Foam Helix Construction

Hi John,

Sure.  I've built 3 foam helices and each of them has turned out great.  Trains run through them flawlessly.  Here's my process.  Get a cup of coffee, as I'll try to be as detailed as possible.

Measurements First

Before planning and building the helix, I need to know some numbers.  I figured these out when planning my railroad and doing the initial track planning.  They are based on my room size, equipment, and operational goals.

  1. My minimum radius on the main line is 24".  
  2. Maximum train length is 11 40' cars plus a caboose.  This is governed by my longest passing siding.
  3. The maximum grade for my locomotives, figured out by using a test board, is around 3.5% pulling my 11 car train
  4. The minimum vertical clearance is defined by an NMRA track gauge.  Adding the track height, I think it's around 3.5 inches.

Helix Planning

Armed with the above information, I figured out that I can build a 24" radius helix with 4" separation between turns and it comes out to about a 2.65% grade.  Even allowing for a little extra drag caused by the curve, I know this works because I've built three of them!  If I run longer through trains, I'll need double headed locomotives (but won't that be REALLY AWESOME!)  :o)

I enclose all my helixes with fascia and scenery, so they're pretty protected once they're built.  Because of this, I figured it was okay to use smaller foam, and that has proved very true.  So the foam for the subroadbed is 5/8" inch foam.  This means that the separation between subroadbed is 3-3/8", which meets my minimum vertical separation.

Helix Construction - First Level

To actually build the helix, I start by tracing arcs on 4'x8' sheets of 5/8" foam using a yardstick with holes drilled in it.  I trace one line at 24" radius, one at 22" and one at 26".  This gives me 2" of clearance on each side of the track center line.  I also trace the perpendicular line using the ruler.  This perpendicular cut line lets you join the sections together easily.  I cut out these arcs using a break-off wallpaper knife.

Next I cut strips about 2" wide from a 4'x8' sheet of 1" foam.  You could use the 5/8" foam too, but I like the wider foam for stability.  I then cut these strips into pieces 3-3/8" long.  These are my risers between levels.

All of the construction is done with hot glue.

The first loop of the helix is the most difficult, because you are going from 0 to 4".  I start by joining sections of subroadbed with pieces of foam, using hot glue, until I have a 360 degree circle.  Butt the ends together and match up the center lines.  I use a cardboard template, cut to 24", to make sure I'm getting a smooth curve across the joint and I'm not introducing any kinks.

I glue the beginning of the loop flush with the level of the sub roadbed at the base of the helix and support the joint with foam pieces.  Next I glue two risers at the end of one full revolution.  I then glue the first loop to the top of these risers.  The height of the risers on the rest of this loop depends on what's underneath.  If the support underneath is the same level as the beginning of the helix, you can do some math and divide the riser height in half, quarter and three quarter.  Then cut and glue risers in place.  If it's open benchwork, it's a little harder.  I've used a laser level to good effect.  I set it at a point 2" above the base of the helix, then supported the helix at that height with risers placed 180 degrees around the first turn.  Then I do the same at 1" 90 degrees through and 3" 270 degrees through. Finally I place other supporting risers to stiffen the whole construction.

A note about the risers:  They don't have to be perfect.  The hot glue takes some space, so I usually cut them a little short and allow the bulk of the glue to make up the difference.  Also, you can glue them to the outside of the helix turns, or the inside, and measure the distance between the levels with a ruler or spacer.  Then the foam cutting doesn't have to be so exact.  Also, make them far enough apart that you can reach in to clean the track.

As I build each level, especially the first, I also use a small level to make sure the sub roadbed is level side to side and not tilting out.  A little tilt in is okay and acts as superelevation, but don't get too much.  I also use my iPhone to check the grade % and make sure I'm close to what I planned.  

When the first level is in, lay the track.  Run a train up it to check for vertical kinks, etc.  Make sure things run smoothly before proceeding.

Helix Construction - Remaining Levels

The remaining levels are much easier.  There will be a constant separation of 3-5/8 (or whatever you figured out) between each level.  So the risers are all exactly the same height.  Keep adding arcs of roadbed supported by risers, and lay track as you go, running trains up it to check for smooth operation.  I like to run an empty train up backward to make sure nothing derails. 

When you get to the top, you simply attach it to the subroadbed of your next level and you're done!

Miscellaneous observations

If you make a mistake or need an adjustment, it's EASY!  I messed up one of mine and was making my risers 3-1/2 inch instead of 3-3/8"  That meant I'd be a full half inch too high at the top!  I already had three turns built with track wired and working!  What to do?  I went through and cut every riser in half.  Then I cut a slice out of each one.  Then I supported each level at the correct 3-3/8" and glued another piece of foam to the outside of each riser.  It took about half an hour, and I had reduced the height of the entire helix.  Problem solved!

I place the risers far enough apart that I can reach in to clean.  I also stagger some of them between levels.  This has an egg-carton effect and the finished structure is surprisingly strong and stable.  

Because the foam is inert, it doesn't expand or contract much with changes in temperature and humidity.

Because the structure is stable, I solder all the rail joints.  I haven't had any problems with expansion of the rail, but my basement is pretty environmentally stable.  If you have big swings in temperature or humidity, you will probably want rail expansion joints.  Stagger them so they are not side-by-side in the rail and there's less chance of derailement.

I use four 2"x2" legs with L-Girders to support the bottom level of the helix.  The 2"x2" legs go all the way to the top of the helix.  These legs are attached to the floor or the wall.  I also attach each turn of the helix to these legs for added stiffness.

On one helix, I lined the inside of one of the turns and modeled it like a rock cut.  I left a window in the fascia.  This allowed operators to see the train halfway through, and it looked pretty cool.

I maintain access to the inside of the helix for track cleaning or derailments.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.  If I've missed anything, or you want to see photos of any of these stages in particular, let me know and I'll see what I can dig up.  

Thanks for reading!!

 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 1
Paul Jacobsen

Helix

Wow what a great write up!  Thanks!

 

age(26).jpeg 

Ranger -- Fort Jacobsen

Scenic Designer FJRR

Track Crew FJRR

my blog

Reply 0
brochhau

Thanks for this!

I just wanted to add my thank you for this write up. I have a similar space to yours and am just starting. I get horrible allergies to sawdust so I've been using foam on the new layout. Seeing how you do it is refreshing and educational. I've joined your Facebook page to follow along as well!

Thanks much,

Scott

Reply 0
John Winter

@Mike

Thank you very much for the detailed description of the helix construction. Any pictures would be appreciated. John

Reply 0
Christopher Blackwell

I love the gorge

Both the rockwork and the trestle, plus you water fall. You and I are opposite ends as you seem to like large locomotives and I will not have gorges or mountains, mostly rolling hills and forest. But it is the quality of your scenery and the plan of your layout that impresses me.

 Clifford Railway

Slow, but we get there eventually

Reply 0
anteaum2666

Thanks - And some more helix pictures

Thank you to everyone for the nice compliments.  John, I'm uploading some more photos of the helix construction.  I didn't shoot each step, but these show the basic growth of the helix.  The pictures are a little bit lower resolution, but I hope they're helpful!

This shot shows the benchwork at the base of the helix.  I built it with the front (toward the room) open so you can crawl inside.  The inside is about 3-1/2 feet wide, and is comfortable to stand inside to work or clean track.

 Helix1.png 

This is the first loop being fit into place.  It starts level at the left, and the risers are at one full helix turn, so they are 3-3/8" tall.  I double check for the 4" separation top-to-top at this point and then build in a smooth transition from level to the top of this first loop.  That's the most challenging part, and it really isn't too hard.

Helix2.png 

Here's a side shot of the first turn.  You can see the opening to crawl inside.  The paper is my 1 to 1 printout of the trackplan from CadRail.

Helix3.png 

In this shot the helix is finished to the top, and I've cut out the section for the future bridge and gorge.  You can see the spacing of the risers between levels.  If the helix seems too flexible somewhere, I just add another riser.  But I keep enough space to clean the track.  

Helix4.png 

Here's a shot of where the helix came out at the top.  It was dead level with the yard and I was amazed and greatly pleased.  If you haven't tried it, and you like that sort of thing, CadRail is a terrific tool!  It makes planning this sort of thing much easier and more accurate.

Helix5.png 

Michael - Superintendent and Chief Engineer
ndACLogo.jpg
View My Blogs

Reply 1
rickwade

Super work!

That's a fantastic scene!  I really like the waterfall and trestle!

Rick

img_4768.jpg 

The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

Mt. 22: 37- 40

Reply 0
John Winter

Thank You...

for the additional pictures.      John

Reply 0
okiecrip

layout

man that is looking real good

Reply 0
Reply