M Robinson

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I am considering getting started in Model Railroading with this track kit.

http://www.katousa.com/images/unitrack/3-0680.jpg

I am a newbie and starting from scratch. I realize this isn't the least expensive way to go but it is supposed to be quick and easy to set up and to modify.

I live in a remote area so I can't whip over to a hobby shop to get tools or pieces that I might have forgotten so buying a kit like this appeals to me.

If you have any advice or opinions about a kit like this, pro or con, I would like to hear it.

Thanks!

Mike

(Edit) I really don't know too much about what I would like from a layout yet. I intend to go with DCC and I like the idea of steam locos. I think I will want to do some switching but have no experience.

Mike

 

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Scarpia

Haven't used it

I haven't used the Kato track, but I think anything that gets you moving forward in the hobby is a good thing.  I can see some real advantages in it's use for someone in the situation you describe. 

The MR series that showed the N scale Kato track layout construction may be a very good resource for you as they detail making nice small layout using nothing but the Kato Track. That series has run over the past couple of months, and would be worth your review.

There may be comments on  the overall design (being basically a 4x8 foot layout) and the click style track which will be valid, but this looks like it would provide some fun operation with the staging yards, and should get you up and running relativvely quickly.

Later on, you may find yourself wanting something different, and you can experiment with using flex track or handlaid - I'm sure you can problaby resell the Kato and reclaim 20--40% of your purchase price - which isn't too bad as long as you've had fun with it for a while!

 


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Russ Bellinis

I see some potential problems with that track plan.

That makes the Kato Unitrak the perfect choice for you.  It does not need to be fastened down permanently.  You can click it together, and try that plan out.  If you find some areas that don't work as well operationally as you would like, it is easy to pick it up and change it.  There has been some discussion of "chain saw" layouts on this site.  Those are layouts that are built with the idea of seeing what works and what doesn't.  The layout is built with the idea that it will be destroyed and replaced by something better as the builder begins to understand operation and sees better ways of doing things.  With Unitrak, you can build your "chainsaw" layout, and then take it apart and reconfigure it without the destruction of a chain saw.

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M Robinson

Russ Would you care to elaborate

Russ

Would you care to elaborate on the potential problems you see with the track plan? I am a complete novice, my only experience is with a Lionel on a oval track that my Grandfather bought me when I was a young child.

Thanks.

Mike

 

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M Robinson

Sarpia I have read some of

Sarpia

I have read some of your blog and found it very helpful. I will be reading more.

I noticed the reference to MR magazine that Kato makes but was not aware that it is a recent topic.Thanks for the info.

 

Mike

 

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Russ Bellinis

What I see as a problem is operational, not a electrical.

There are no reversing loops, which is probably a good thing for a novice.  The  problem is that without the reversing loop somewhere in the layout, a train can't be turned around.  If a train is backed in to any of the staging tracks to be staged for an operating session, and it comes out of staging to the layout, the only way it can get back to staging is to be backed into the staging track.  If one of the switches leading to either of the staging yards is reversed, then a train entering from one staging yard can go over the layout and then pull in to the other staging yard, but it will need to be backed out and backed around to get to the original staging yard for staging another session.  There is also the fact that with only one passing track, you really can't operate two trains running in opposite directions at the same time.  These are probably short comings that you would eventually want to address, but with Unitrak, you can put it down and run trains.  When you start to notice some shortcomings with a layout design that you want to change, the track can be easily taken up and reconfigured.  You can get trains running now and as you get more confidence in how to wire a layout, you can try your hand at reversing sections, and see how that works.  What I like about that layout for a novice is that it can get you running your train on more than just a circle of track.

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rfbranch

Don't be afraid to start

Hi Mike-

I was in the exact same boat as you about two years ago ( here is my "return to the hobby" post on the MR forums) and with what little hindsight I have I think you are taking a much better approach than I did.  Take the Kato trackplan and the unitrack and try out a few different layouts.  I

t's a much quicker (and in the long term cheaper) way to figure out what you like and don't like in a layout.  Don't get too caught up in trying to figure out the perfect track plan before you start since your track is so easy to change around (and obviously fasten it down in some way that allows you to take it up easily).

My other piece of advice:  go make some friends in the hobby who have layouts if you haven't already.  I was a lone wolf - not counting participation on here - for the most part for the 1st year I was back in the hobby and I had more trouble with not knowing how to prioritize the tasks of getting my layout up and going.  Go join a club (this didn't work for me but it is still a worthwhile exercise), join the NMRA (if your division is reasonably active it's the easiest way to meet other modelers), or hang out at your hobby hosp (but in your case that wouldn't apply).  You will learn more from talking to other modelers and seeing what they've done than in any other way.

So go get your track and some stuff to push around that layout and get started!

~rb

 

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jarhead

Kato Track

Kato track is awesome, can take a beating. You can add ballast, glue it down, un glue it. It is awesome. I have been doing layouts, literally all my life. And I did my last layout with Unitrack (HO) and I was very impressed. Their electrical connections are perfect. I had no problem with my DCC system at all. It worked flawlessly !! You can't go wrong with it. Kato Unitrack are made to snap it and unsnap it continuisly. It really can take a beating. I had a section on my layout that I put too much ballast. I found out too late, when it was dried. I had to use a knife and a chisel to remove the ballast. Once I did that I removed that section of track, I took it to the sink and put it under water to wash and remove the glue and the rest of the ballast. I knew I had ruined it, for sure. I dried it with a towel and re-install it. It worked perfectly. It is a great product.

 

 

 

 

Nick Biangel 

USMC

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Dave K skiloff

Gotta agree with Nick

Kato is fabulous.  I almost used it for my chainsaw, but thought I wanted to save money (those switches are pricey and I was going to use at least 20-25 - well over $500 just for the switches).  I went the Fast Tracks route with ME flex track, but Unitrack will certainly do the job for you.  And as others have mentioned, its bulletproof.  Perfect electrical connections and you don't have to fasten it to anything until you get to the point of scenery, but I'd bet even then you wouldn't actually need to fasten it down.  I ran about 8 different configurations on a 3x9 (I'm in N scale), and I never fastened it down once and it never moved once its all sitting together.  If you're OK with the sticker price, go for it.  And then start a blog here and show us what you're up to.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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M Robinson

Thank you all for your

Thank you all for your responses.

Unfortunately, rfbranch, there are no clubs here to join, or even any one else that has a model railroad that I am aware of, at least not in my village. (I live on Haida Gwaii, Islands off the coast of British Columbia)

What a tremendous resource this web site is. Especially for some one like me who lives in an isolated area.

Thank you Mr Fugate (and your sponsors) for making this amazing resource available!

Mike

Mike

 

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joef

You're welcome

You're welcome, Mike. My guess is maybe 30% of our subscribers are similar to you - not a lot of other modelers nearby. Gotta love the modern internet - I like to say no longer do the people who share your interests also need to share your zip code, thanks to the internet ... (wink and grin)

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Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

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jarhead

Haidi Gwaii RR

Mike that is cool. You are a pioneer in those islands. It would be neat to do a small fictitious railroad for the island. And the good thing about it it can be standard gauge or a narrow gauge railroad. And whatever you do please keep us inform of the progress.

 

 

Nick Biangel 

USMC

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Steve Raiford

Kato Unitrack

Said before, but you can not go wrong with Kato Unitrack. Very reliable, you can use it over and over and over. Your investment will last as long as you want. A local modeler has a very extensive Kato Unitrack layout, I would guess with over 1000 ft of track. When he discovers an issue during an ops session, or just comes up with a different idea, when we return several weeks later the track has be redesigned to address the short comings. You just can't do that easily with flex track in that short of a time frame.

Go for it you won't be disappointed.

Steve Raiford

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M Robinson

Hi Nick Good idea about the

Hi Nick

Good idea about the fictitous railway.

There used to be some logging rail lines here with a few Climax locomotives such as this one which is still here but is now a rusting hulk.

http://www.climaxlocomotives.com/confirmed/img/index.php?P=10858

I am considering replicating a logging railroad but that would be a long way down the road. I think I will just play around a bit first and try to see what I enjoy before I commit to anything.

 

 

Mike

 

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jarhead

Kato Layout

Here are some photos of my layout using 100% Kato Track:

Below is when I first installed it.

Here is with the tarmac on it

 

 

 

Nick Biangel 

USMC

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tomytuna

Nick..love the tarmack...how

Nick..love the tarmack...how do you do/did that overlay?
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johncharlesrw

unitrack

Mike

If you haven't already, try and get a couple of books about track planing, some graph paper,and katos track planing tool.(they call it a template). You could spend a couple of evenings(hundreds?) seeing what you want and what will fit.

john

john

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