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The sun actually came out on my way to work this morning!
Yep, the sun actually made it's appearance shortly after I got on the road at 6 AM. That meant I could actually see the bay from the Belt Parkway and the Verazano Bridge. It was a beautiful sight to actually see a few ships on the water for a change. Unfortunately one can't see the Bay Ridge carfloat aprons from the bridge or even from the adjoining Brooklyn Queens Expressway but you can't have verything.
I reread my copy of the book on the New York Connecting Railroad over the weekend and rediscovered a few things that seemed to have escaped me since the first time I read it in September 2008. Here are some of those facts.
Car floats during the period 1917 - 1960 carried 19 40 foot boxcars. Of course capacities were reduced when box cars grew to 50 feet in length. So how big were the carfloats? it seems most were around 290 feet in length. Some were shorter but there wer some that were longer as well. Most tug boats towed two of those carfloats and that would have made trains of 38 cars, though many were longer.
Most steam locomotives pulled trains to Bay Ridge over two sections of track: The first section seems to have originated at Oak Point Yard in the Bronx and run over the Hell Gate Bridge to Maspeth Yard in Queens. There may have been some interchange of cars there but that isn't clear from what I've read. The second section of track ran from Maspeth Yard to 65th Street Yard near the carfloat aprons. The difference was in who owned the tracks. The New York Connecting Rail Road owned the tracks from Oak Point Yard to Maspeth. The Long Island Railroad owned the tracks from there to 65th Street Yard and up to 1924 ran passenger service along them as well as freight.
Steam locomotives ran in the normal direction to 65th Street Yard but ran tender first on the way back because there were no facilities to turn them until they got to Maspeth Yard.
The etire line from Oak Point to 65th Street Yard was once srved by electric locomotives while the Catenary was still standing between 1933 and 1958 or so.
The entire line frm 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge Brooklyn through to Oak Point Yard in hte Bronx is approximately 21 miles in length. In effect one coud actually model this line with no compression in about 268 feet of space. Of course, you'd need a pretty big asement to do it in but it is possible.
Today what was once the New York Connecting Railroad (the tracks between Maspeth Yard and Oak Point Yard) is owned by CSX. Amtrak ownsthe tracks that run from Penn Station across the Hell Gate Bridge as part of the Northeast Corridor, This, too, was once part of the New York Connecting Railroad.
Car float service is no where near the levels it was at even in 1960 since there are at most one or two crossings of the river from Greenville Yard in New Jersey. These do not use Bay Ridge as a terminus. They do dock at the floatbridge at what was once New York Army Terminal. This is the only float bridge in operation along the Brooklyn-Queens waterfront today. One should however realize that there were many more such operations along this waterfront in bygone days.
The floatbridges in Long Island City are no longer used but have been converted into a park. The float bridge suports still bear the Long Island name they always have but they are no longer operational as most of the track in the area has been ripped up or paved over. One can still sometimes see them when pot holes become common in the Winter.
Irv
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>I was wondering the same thing...seems like a lot of work just to go 30 miles or so, even in traffic on the Van Wyck!<
But you are assuming (and you know what the trouble wit that is I hope) that the ultmate destination of that container is along the Van Wyck. It may not be. In fact it's ultimate destination may be some place in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire or even Maine.
Now if you are going to say why not route the stack cars through the train yard near Albany, then you mhave a point.
Irv
If you are talking about New England, wouldn't they just run the stacks around New York City and up the East bank of the Hudson to Albany and points North. The other question I would have about it would have to do with some of the discussion I've seen about Loading the car floats. Would 5 unit stacks which can't be broken down further create loading problems?
Hi Irv-
I understand your point but if containers originated from somewhere outside NYC why would they pass through the city at all? My assumption would be that they would bypass the city altogether (through Selkirk or something similar) as even if the straight line distance were shorter between points west and destinations in New England I would think the added time to be sorted in a yard, interchanged with another railroad, and then returned to a major Class I would be far more inefficient than bypassing the connection altogether.
Of course do whatever you want (it is your railroad after all
) but thinking through the steps involved it seems like it would be very inefficient to pass through the city.
~rb
Rich
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Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad Comes to ConnecticutHoboken ShoreThat's what happens with the stack cars now. But my thinkings is that Long Island still has lots of vacant land and land with empty buildings as the companies once housed there either went out of business or moved away long ago. These could still be used if business could be attracted to the area. And that requires that the area be attractive for use by manufacturers, distributors and various other businesses. One of the things that could make those proerties attractive is ease of access to which railroad facilities can be imortant since there are rarely traffic jams on those facilities as there would be with trucks. Now which would you rather have 20 trucks a day or one train of twenty containers?
Irv
Yes. It is my layout but I believe things should be done in same way they would be done in the real world of economic reality. Thus, business could have decided that Long Island was stil viable place to have factories adn warehouses/dtsribution centers and thus these facilties would need access that could best be provided by railroad connections than by roads crowded with traffic made up of trucks, busses and other vehicles.
Now I don't know about you, but I actually drive on hte Van Wyck 3 days a week and the road is in terrible condition because the traffic it handles is mcuh to heavy for it and the road surface features quite a few pot holes that have other pot holes with still pot holes in them. And this can't all be blamed on te weather.
Irv
They look for the cheapest method of transport that gets the product to their door or out their door as the case may be when they want it. If the railroad, using a car float can compete with trucks for price and on time delivery, they will use it. As far as industry is concerned, pot holes are the government's problem.