JeremyB

Hi Guys. Thanks for the help I received on my waybill issue. I am thnking I will go that way. When filling them out I was just curious if I have the car types correct. I dont know about the covered hopper so kind of just winged it

CAR TYPES

Covered Hopper 2 bay – CH2

Covered Hopper 3 bay – CH3

Flatcar – FM

Tank Car – TM

Boxcar – XM

Refrigerator Car – RB

Open Hopper – HFA

Auto Carrier – FA

Centerbeam Flatcar – FBC

Bulkhead Flatcar – FB

Open Well – WC

Stock Car – SC

Gondola - GA

I looked over the AAR file at opsig, but might have got consuded when making the list on no sleep this morning at 2am,lol

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Prof_Klyzlr

AAR (via Google) says...

Dear ??

Google says a "Covered Hopper" is car type "LO" according to the AAR

http://www.opsig.org/pdf/AARFreightCarCodes.pdf

http://eaneubauer.ipower.com/type.pdf

http://espee.railfan.net/aar_1989.html

http://www.railcarphotos.com/AARTypeCount.php

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Michael24

Great links

Thanks Prof for the fantastic links.  These add more detail to what I have found.

 

Michael

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JeremyB

Cheers

Thanks for the links

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wp8thsub

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Refrigerator Car – RB

Most modelers think of an RB as an "insulated box car."  It has sufficient insulating properties that a load can be maintained at a near-constant temperature for a long time.  Think of the B as meaning "bunkerless," as in something similar to an ice bunker car (RS), but with no designated place for the ice.  They usually have load restraining devices and as such are designated RBL.  Such cars are frequently used for non-edible cargo.

A mechanical refrigerator would be an RP (again typically with loading devices and designated RPL).

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Open Hopper – HFA

Most hoppers are HM (2-bay) or HT (3 or more bays).  An HFA would be a special service car and they're not especially common, in particular not in revenue service.  Ballast cars with lengthwise bays are usually HK.

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Centerbeam Flatcar – FBC

Center beams from the prototypes I'm familiar with in the 70s and 80s are FMS.

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Covered Hopper 2 bay – CH2

Covered Hopper 3 bay – CH3

The overwhelming majority of covered hoppers fall under LO.

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Stock Car – SC

Most stock cars I've seem have been designated SM.  The same car with two decks could be an SC, or with 3 an ST.

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Gondola - GA

A GA has bottom doors.  Most generic gons are GB.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Chris VanderHeide cv_acr

Reefers

Most of the standard codes are two letters, but as alluded to above, sometimes additional codes can be added on the end to indicate special features. (And make things more complicated.)

Mentioned above is "L" for special loading devices like restraint bars or interior moveable bulkheads. (e.g. XML (later replaced by XL), RBL, RPL)

A refrigerator equipped for meat service (overhead rails for meat hooks) will have an "M" suffix (RSM or RPM).

Insulated boxcars can sometimes be "RB" (refrigerator, bunkerless) or a standard boxcar code with an "I" suffix (XMI). Sometimes cars have a heater installed to keep perishable loads from freezing in the winter, and the code would get an "H" suffix (eg. XMIH)

An "S" suffix after a gondola or flatcar code denotes special equipment or design features that restrict the car to particular commodities, and an "R" indicates a removeable cover/roof on a gondola. (A covered gondola for coil steel service is therefore GBSR - sometimes however purpose built coil cars are classed as either a gondola or a flatcar, as an FMS.)

Anyway, those links provided above are a pretty good resource.

Good place to start, and decide to use the proper AAR codes or use as a starting point to make some specific codes that make sense for your operations. (For example, *every* covered hopper is simply an LO. No distinction between number of bays, or standard gravity hoppers, or pressure or pneumatic unloading features, and these differences have a big impact on usage.)

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SD70M2

UMLER Codes

I'm probably throwing a kink in the works here, but having worked in the industry quite a few years before retiring, I use the prototype UMLER Car Codes for my equipment. These codes can be found in the back of any Official Railway Equipment Register and though somewhat complicated to set up, these codes give you a very good description of each type of car and replaced the use of the old AAR car type coding years ago. Unless you have a huge fleet of cars, you'd probably find that most of your cars will use more or less the same basic codes.

UMLER (Universial Machine Language Equipment Register) Codes (based on a 1987 OER):

Format: ANNN (ALPHA Car Type followed by 3 digit NUMERIC code)

A - Equipped Box Cars
B - Unequipped Box Cars
C - Covered Hopper Cars
D - Locomotive
E - Equipped Gondola Cars
F - Flat Cars
G - Unequipped Gondola Cars
H - Unequipped Hopper Cars
J - Gondola Car - GT
K - Equipped Hopper Cars
L - Special Type Cars
M - Maintenance of Way Cars
N - Cabooses
P - Conventional Intermodal Flat Cars
Q - Light Weight, Low Profile, Single Platform (FC) And/Or Articulated Intermodal (FCA) Cars
R - Refrigerator Cars
S - Stock Cars
T - Tank Cars
U - Containers/Chassis
V - Vehicular Flat Cars (FA Only)

As Chris correctly pointed out, just saying all your covered hoppers are AAR type "LO", tells you nothing about what type of covered hopper it is and using that code on some computer switch list generating programs could result in covered hoppers intended only for cement loading, winding up at your grain elevator and the other way around!

Of course the same goes for other type cars, such as box cars. Not all box cars are "XM" and the AAR "X?" Code tells you nothing about the car. Is it a 40ft, 50ft, 60ft, sliding doors, plug doors, combination doors, etc.?

Would take me a very long time to type up all the numeric codes that go with the various car types, but here are some examples to give you an idea of how these codes work (based on the 1987 OER):

I have several covered hoppers that would be used for grain/feed/fertilizer and similar bulk commodities and as it happens they are all UMLER code C113 which breaks down as:

C - Covered Hopper
1 - Gravity Unloading - non-pressurized gravity unloading
1 - LO (Covered Hopper)
3 - 4,000 but less than 5,000 cubic foot capacity

Like wise, I have some Airslide Hoppers which are all code C412
C - Covered Hopper
4 - Fluidized Gravity Unloading with gravity discharge outlets
1 - LO (Covered Hopper)
2 - 3,000 but less than 4,000 cubic foot capacity

A typical modern 50ft XM box car might be: B314
B - Unequipped Box Car
3 - 49ft and less than 59ft inside length
1 - XM - Sliding Door inside width 9ft 6in and over
4 - Doors 10ft less than 11ft

A typical modern 50ft XL box car might be: A432
A - Equipped Box Car
4 - 49ft and less than 59ft inside length, cushion draft gear/underframe
3 - XL
2 - Sliding Door - opening 9ft less than 11ft

The only cars that are difficult to get accurate UMLER codes for are T - Tank Cars which require knowing what the Major Class Description of the tank would be, which is shown in Exhibit M of the OER. Since I only have 2 tank car types on my own layout, they use just two of the same code and just a general code type would suffice for our purposes.

I did find a pretty good PDF file on the Internet which could be saved and used for reference here:

http://eaneubauer.ipower.com/type.pdf

Note: That the some of the car type codes and numeric values changed from the 70s to the 80s so use the appropriate era for your layout. My era is the late 70s to early 80s, but I use the codes from the 70s.

If you can't get your hands on an OER or don't want to spend the time to try and get the correct code for each car, then use the basic car type code and make up a simple to understand number code for various car types. Say we have some 50ft "XM" type box cars, some with single sliding doors, some with plug doors, and some with double sliding or double plug doors, and some with combination sliding/plug doors.
B501 - 50ft single sliding door
B502 - 50ft double sliding door
B503 - 50ft single plug door
B504 - 50ft double plug door
B505 - 50ft combination sliding/plug door

Use similar codes for your equipped box "XL" type box cars, by substituting the "B" with "A". Something similar can be used for your covered hoppers to denote the type of covered hopper. You might come up with a numeric code where the first digit denotes the number of compartments, the second digit the type discharge gates/roof hatches, and the third the type of commodity the car is intended to handle. You get the idea.

Just some food for thought and something that might resolve your coding issues for your equipment.

Ed

Ed Vasser, Frankfort, KY

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bobmorning
When did the UMLER codes replace the old AAR one and two letter codes (such as XM, LO, etc)?

Bob M.

Modeling the Western Maryland in the 1980's at http://wmrwy.com

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Chris VanderHeide cv_acr
bobmorning wrote:
When did the UMLER codes replace the old AAR one and two letter codes (such as XM, LO, etc)?


In a sense they didn't. They're different things. "Mechanical designation" vs. "car type". The car types are a lot more specific.
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David Husman dave1905
There are many car type codes used by the railroads.  For example, when I worked for the MP/UP I could search for cars by at least 4 different car codes :  AAR car type, UMLER car type, TCS car code, UP car class.  All were used concurrently and all were  (and still are) active.

AAR car type is a 2-4 alpha character general description of the car type.  Rarely used in any of the positions I worked.
UMLER car type is a 4 character (one alpha, 3 numeric) code that is used in data exchange.  Rarely used (from a visible standpoint) in the positions I worked, however was used behind the scenes in data exchange with other railroads.
TCS car code is a 4 character alphanumeric code that was used by the MP/UP Transportation Control System.  It was translated from the UMLER code.  It appeared on all MP/UP track and train documents, and was used by only the MP/UP, subsidiaries and railroads that used the TCS system.  It was the car code used on 99.99% of all documents visible to users of TCS.
UP car class (SP had a similar system) a sequential system used by the mechanical department to designate classes or series of cars.  It was available in mechanical documentation but wasn't searchable by computer, and only applied to system cars.
In addition there were the manufacturer's  designations on cars, such as "ACF 4750" for a type of covered hopper.  Rarely used in any of the positions I worked and was not a valid category in any of the computer systems.

Which codes were used depended on what context and who the audience was.  All the codes were cross referenced behind the scenes.

Dave Husman

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Graham Line
In setting up our operations and devised a system similar to Ed Vasser's above.  Because we only operate once a month, with a rotating cast of operators, we simplified the codes.  XM wasn't descriptive enough, and the other code systems weren't very intuitive.  We also have open car situations where different length cars go to different customers.

   To get the right car to the customer, we invented a system of suffixes.  In covered hoppers, there's a L55G, and L44F, and an L55P.  The number is the length, the G is for grain, F for fertilizers, P for plastics, and so on.  Boxcars are marked for length and door type, as an X50DS is a 50-footer with double sliding doors.  
Tank cars are T, marked for length (volume) and commodity.  There are a couple dozen categories in all, based on the AAR codes.

We would have preferred to use a more prototypical system, but this one does function well.  The codes appear on the car card, and also on the industry waybills,  including possible car type substitutes where practical.
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David Husman dave1905
The complexity depends on how detailed the car assignment system is .
I kinda went the other way and made mine very simple for my 1900 era layout.
XM - Boxcar
VA - Ventilated boxcar
HM- Hopper
GB - Mill gon
GH - Hopper bottom gon
GD- Drop bottom gon
FM - Flatcar
SM - Stock car
TA - Tank car
RS - Reefer
NE- Caboose

That's pretty much it.  Since car orders are assigned manually I can mix and match as I need.  HM, GH and GD are pretty much interchangeable for coal, aggregate and ores.  Lumber can be in FM, GB or XM.  

On the other hand, if you have a computer car forwarding system, such as JMRI, you will most likely need way more granular and specialized car types.

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blindog10
The advantage to using the AAR Mechanical Designations (the multi letter codes) is they actually appeared on the sides of most cars, at least into the 1990s.  (Tank cars were the common exception.)  So assuming your model is correctly lettered, there they are.  Now I didn't say they were easy to read.

The AAR Car Type Codes (letter and three digits) evolved into the UMLER* codes.  But they rarely appear on the sides on cars, and their meanings have changed over the years.  And they are not intuitive.  In some cases they are quite general, and some are quite specific.  Door types on enclosed autoracks, for instance.  I used them in my work at the Southern but I didn't memorize them all.  I'm not sure anyone did.  Maybe one or two of the clerks.

*UMLER = Universal Machine Language Equipment Register

The Southern did not have an official car class system, but the internal computer system did use a sort of abbreviation as a description to help sort out the cars.  I would not expect even the most rabid Southern-phile (Hi Ike!) to memorize those.

So I only used the AAR Mechanical Designation on my car cards for the old layout.  The abuilding switching layout will use sorta-computer generated switchlists so I'll have the car codes on there for looks but I'll also have my "extended" mechanical designations on there.  I use these when I name my freight car pictures, either in the computer or on the slide mounts.  I described it in a post a while back. 

Scott Chatfield 
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Ken Rice
I think this is something people sometimes get a little to detailed with.  All you really need is a bit of a clue about what shape you’re looking for to narrow down the reporting marks you need to read.  If you trim down the UMLER letter code a little you get:

B - Box Cars
C - Covered Hopper Cars
F - Flat Cars
G - Unequipped Gondola Cars
L - Special Type Cars
M - Maintenance of Way Cars
N - Cabooses
Q - Light Weight, Low Profile, Single Platform (FC) And/Or Articulated Intermodal (FCA) Cars
R - Refrigerator Cars
S - Stock Cars
T - Tank Cars

Which is pretty intuitive for the most part.  And most likely enough to get the job done (where the job is helping the operator find the car).
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David Husman dave1905
Ken Rice wrote:
I think this is something people sometimes get a little to detailed with.  All you really need is a bit of a clue about what shape you’re looking for to narrow down the reporting marks you need to read.  

As I said, it depends on the purpose, how prototypical the owner wants to be and how the car forwarding system works.  If it is a computer system  distributing the cars it can get very complex because people often use the car type to restrict which train a car can be on. 

For example,  with a computer car forwarding system you might have two unit coal trains.  In every prototype system there is, it's possible that both trains will have all cars with exactly the same car type (let's say a 100 ton rotary gon).  However on a model railroad you might want to make one set of cars GUCA and the other GUCT (Gon-Unit- Coal - Arkansas and Gon-Unit- Coal - Texas).  The  Texas train only carries GUCT cars and the Arkansas train only carries GUCA cars.  Prototypical, no.  Very useful and easy on a model railroad, yes.

Because not all cars are the same, you might want some differentiation in the car types.  While technically in my era I could load coal or steel products in any gon, the hopper bottom gons are preferred for coal and the mill gons are preferred for steel.  Since I might not be standing next to the physical car while I'm billing it, it helps to know whether the car is a hopper bottom gon or a mill gon.  Thus GH or GB.

On the other hand, lots of modeler have these detailed and complicated car type schemes then still assign cars to industries on almost a random basis (40 ft plain boxcar to load beer or appliances, 50 ft insulated plug door cars to load grain or bagged cement)

The hardest part of a complicated car type scheme is making it easy enough that somebody can read it without a secret decoder ring.  UMLER codes are Universal Machine Language Equipment Register, emphasis on MACHINE, they are designed for a computer to read, not a human.  Yes, armed with a two page decoder sheet, a human can read them, but it's not intuitive in the least.  

Dave Husman

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BN1970
Great Northern / Northern Pacific used "General Superintendent of Transportation Codes" in the sixties which carried on into BN.  My guess, so would have CB&Q & SP&S.

It looks complicated, but  an odd numbered boxcar is 50 footer, if even numbered it's a forty footer.

 I use switch lists and the car classes on those switch lists.  Being that I model in 1967 I have a lot of B2's, R2's and one of those new boxcars generally will be a B5 or if its insulated R5. --Brian

B1 50' Box w/6' Door Opening

B2 40' Box w/6' Door Opening

B3 50' Box w/8' Door Opening

B4 40' Box w/8' Door Opening

B5 50' Box w/10-12' Door Opening

B6 40' Box w/10-12' Door Opening

B7 50' Box w/Door Opening > 12'

B8 40' Box w/Door Opening > 12'

B9 60' and Longer Box

BD 40' Box w/Load restraining Devices

BE 50' Box w/Load restraining Devices

BG Box w/Grain Access Doors

C2 2 Bay Covered Hopper

C4 Covered Hopper < 4000 C.F.

C6 Jumbo Covered Hopper

CA Airslide Covered Hopper

F1 Bulkhead Flats

F2 Bi-Level Auto Rack

F3 Tri-Level Auto Rack

F4 40' Flat

F5 50' Flat

F6 60' Flat

F7 Piggyback Flat, Less than 89'

F8 Piggyback Flat, 89' and Over

F9 Articulated Flat

FL Log car

FS Special Service (well) Flat

G1 50' Gondola

G2 40' Gondola

G3 60' Gondola

GC Covered Gondola

H1 Ore Car

H4 Triple Hopper

H6 Quad Hopper

HS Hart Selective

MW Maintenance Of Way

PB Passenger Box

PR Passenger Refrigerator

P5 Mail Car Passenger

PE Passenger ALL Others

R2 Reefer w/Ice Bunkers

R3 Mechanical Reefer

R5 Insulated Box

R8 Bulk Potato

R9 60' and Longer  Insulated Box

RR Reefer w/Racks - Rails

S3 Stock, Single Deck

S4 Stock, Double Deck

T Tank

WC Wood Chip

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