redP

Im looking to install an ABS signal system. I want something that is not too complicated, since im really not a computer expert. I was looking at the ABS system NJ International has, but im not sure optic sensors is the best way to go.

Any suggestions?

 Modeling Penn Central and early Amtrak in the summer of 1972

 

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JLandT Railroad

There is a considerable amount to learn and research...

When you decide to delve into signaling & detection.  Ask me how I know...

If you know of people who have done it on their own layouts or have knowledge assisting with installations then ask for help.  I have been fortunate enough to find one of these people (group of people actually) who is an extremely knowledgeable person when it comes to signaling & detection.

As for ABS I've looked at it but wasn't satisfied that its basically all automatic in nature (this clearly suits your needs) and the fact that there was limited dispatcher control, hence the reason why I've gone to CTC with a JMRI simulated panel.

As for the detection circuit I've steered away from optics, to many variables to try and adjust and get the senors working perfectly, I'll stick with detection through block occupancy using current draw through resistive wheel sets, and detectors, and turnout feedback from Tortoise Motors predominantly on the mainline and passing sidings.  I'm using a NCE DCC System and will be installing a Simple Serial Buss (SSB) - Standalone - Loconet using Digitrax Products (SE8C & BDL168) all interfaced back through a PC and JMRI.

The biggest learning curve for me was the placement of signals, associated blocks and wiring, and then trying to tie it all together with the operating concept of layout.  There really are many options & routes that can be taken, and at the end of the day the biggest factor really is cost, it multiplies very quickly!

I'm hoping to chronicle the entire process on our blog, and hopefully have enough worthy content to write a "Signaling Starter" series for the magazine.  So if your interested keep a watch on our blog on MRH or Blogspot.

Jas...

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redP

Thanks

Thanks Jas I will do that

 Modeling Penn Central and early Amtrak in the summer of 1972

 

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David Husman dave1905

ABS

By all means do some research.  ABS signals are placed differently than CTC signals.  In addition, unless you have true current of traffic rule 251 territory, you will need a system other than the signals to grant authority on the main track (TT&TO, TWC, DTC, etc).

 

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Bill Feairheller

Signals on my layout and Crossroads railroad club

I have built an signal system that will indicate block occupancy, turnout position and has input from a dispatcher if desired to operate three color signals.  The signals are home built using commercial signal heads.   For entering a passing siding, a three head (GYR) for the main over a two head (YR) for entering the siding.  To leave a passing siding, each track has a three head signal (GYR).  Separate blocks have three heads in both directions. The occupancy detectors are Bruce Chubb's Optimized detectors form Model Railroader about 10 years ago.  The only part of his system that I used was the detector and the detector mother board, not the computer interface.  As my layout was DC at the time, the detectors use the voltage drop across diodes to indicate a train in the block.  This has worked OK with DCC, but it is necessary to control the current through the track and detector either with 6 amp diodes (5 amp power supply) or a light bulb to limit the current.  If starting out with Dcc, He had a transformer type detector that can be used.  These detectors are available built up or making your own by buying the printed circuit boards, and parts from an electronic supplier. (Jameco, Mouser etc Radio Shack is much too expensive).    A power supply  is needed for the detectors and the easiest solution is an old computer power supply which will supply the +12, -12 and 5 volts needed to power the system.  Add a led and you can show occupied blocks on a dispatcher panel.   I feel that this type of occupancy detection is better than photo- detection.  Infrared photo detection is useful to show that a train has passed a certain point and is clear of a switch ect.  I use both on my layout.

The next part of the system is the operation of the signals.  The output of the detector is a transistor that is turned on and off by the train.  This is one input.  The position of the turnout is another input.  Another is the dispatcher desire.  This means at least three inputs are need to clear for the signal to go either Y or G  rather than red.  To indicate a green two block ahead must be clear, if only one block the signal is yellow.  Each signal head (not signal) must have a circuit to control the aspects.  Several years ago an article in MR described a transistor circuit to operate the signals, however it used a lot of current and would not always turn off the LEDs.  A model railroader in Canada, Rob Paisley, revised the circuits and developed others not only for signals but for crossing gates, and many other Model railroad application ( including photo detection etc).  He currently has on his web site (http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/3LightSignala2012.html)  a 3-Light - Model Railroad Signal Driver that can be used to drive 3 light, searchlight and position signals, either common cathode or common anode connections.  Circuit boards are available .  On my layout, I used one of his circuits call "Not so simple 3 light signal" which used a LM339 IC op amp to drive the outputs to the signal head.  I used Radio Shack circuit boards. each with 2 circuits.  This has worked very well on both my layout and our club layout.  However. it is not listed in Rob's current circuits.  It was not suitable for searchlight signals, but the new driver is.

A complete signal system adds a lot to the layout, and I believe is worth the time and expense.  Doing it yourself is another way to enjoy the hobby.  As I am retired, a commercial system is beyond my reach, so doing it this way made it possible.

Bill 

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Bill Feairheller

Correction to my post

The heads and lights were mixed up.  To enter a passing siding there are  two signal heads, one three light (main) over a  two light (siding).   Each track leaving a passing siding has a single 3 light signal.  Normal blocks have a single three light signals, in each direction.

The idea is that the signals for the main would show up to 2 blocks beyond the one you are entering.  The sidings should be entered at reduced speed so that only red and yellow would be needed.  Although the system is not totally prototypical, it does provide signals that does not require a 100 page manual to understand and can be made operational without half of the GNP.

Bill

(These things are only obvious after you hit submit no matter how many times you read the draft)

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Bill Feairheller

Rob Paisley web site

Rob's site should be:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/3LightSignals2012.html

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