hobbes1310

Just wanting to  hear peoples  thoughts on  this:

 

When designing a new track plan, based on a prototype subdivision.

Do you  compression the  railroads track plan, or just design key features of that said  subdivision to invoke the flavor, setting your trying to model?

 

Regards Phil

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Bill Brillinger

The BNML

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Do you  compression the  railroads track plan, or just design key features of that said  subdivision to invoke the flavor, setting your trying to model?

For me, the answer is "BOTH!"

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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dehanley

Track plan

Phil

Spend most of your effort on the key elements that you like and want that convey the flavor you want. After that compress parts of the railroad track plan to connect the key elements together.
 

Don Hanley

Proto-lancing a fictitious Erie branch line.

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LKandO

Also 'Both'

Select LDEs important to the scene then track arrangement to accommodate yet still resemble the actual in appearance, function, sequence, etc. Models are different from real so some deviations are needed to get a good operating model that also conveys time and place - a balance of compromises. Exact 1:1 track plans may or may not (more often) make good model track plans. 

Alan

All the details:  http://www.LKOrailroad.com        Just the highlights:  MRH blog

When I was a kid... no wait, I still do that. HO, 28x32, double deck, 1969, RailPro
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DKRickman

It depends

Are you familiar with the concept of an LDE (Layout Design Element)?  If not, it's basically a key scene or location which needs to be included in a layout.  Think of it like a bead, and the remainder of the layout is the thread which connects the beads together.

In my opinion, it all depends on what you expect out of your layout.  If you're a railfan who's visited certain key locations on the prototype and nothing in between, then all you will need is to connect LDEs with some generic (for the era and locale) scenery and track.  On the other hand, if you're intimately familiar with every inch of track on the prototype, then in a sense the entire layout becomes one large LDE, and you will have a tougher time.

In general, I like to first pick out those locations which are critical to the feel and operation of the prototype.  Those get compressed as much as practical without losing the original purpose.  I then try to connect them with main line which has as much in common with the prototype as possible.  That means putting curves, roads, bridges, etc. in the same relative order if possible.  Thus, in a sense, the entire railroad has been distilled, but the less important parts less so than the remainder.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Prototype compression

Excellent points Ken.  I completely agree.

Personally, I think if you're modeling a specific prototype and you're familiar with that prototype's operations, and if you'd like to replicate them on your layout, prototype compression becomes kind of a given.  When I first got interested in the IAIS, I was fine with just getting close on the track schematic, but the more I railfanned it and got to know the specific work each job did, the more I wanted to recreate those exact moves in my basement.

If I wanted to replicate the Bluffs yard job's work of pulling off-spot cars from the Steel Dock and delivering them to Searle Petroleum's spur, I obviously had to model both tracks.  Beyond that, though, if I wanted to create the illusion that I had transported myself back to 2005 and was working the IAIS as I remembered, those tracks had to be on the correct side of the main and facing the right direction, and the surroundings had to be as close as I could come to an accurate prototype compression.  
 
Obviously, that last item is a tall order, but I found that my brain could more easily accept certain missing scenic features - such as my only being able to model 3 of the 6 grade crossings in Council Bluffs - than it could accept missing tracks that were actively used by my prototype.  Also, I've been surprised that some of the bigger scenic items I chose to omit, such as an overpass that I felt would crowd a portion of the layout, are easily dismissed if the parts that remain are reminiscent of the scene.  My mind fills in the blanks.
 
In the end, I eventually tweaked my track schematic until it matched my prototype, with the exceptions being that I only modeled 6 of the 7 Bluffs Yard tracks and 1 of the 2 RIP tracks there.  Both omitted tracks were done away with in order to keep the scene depth manageable, but because the functions of each track continued to be handled by the remaining yard and RIP tracks, I haven't missed them.  For whatever reason, I've always found that compromises forced on me by space restrictions are the easiest to accept.
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ctxmf74

"When designing a new track

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"When designing a new track plan, based on a prototype subdivision.

Do you  compression the  railroads track plan, or just design key features of that said  subdivision to invoke the flavor, setting your trying to model?"

        It depends on how much room you have and how much layout you want to build. The less room or the smaller they layout desired the more compression and distillation will be required. The minimum required would be one typical interesting part or signature scene of the line with everything else imagined to be off scene.  Most people have room for more than one scene or station so they pick some more that are typical and then link them together in a hopefully enhancing  manner. Personally if it comes to compressing locations to the point that they are visually unrecognizable I'll usually leave out some stations to allow the remaining ones to  look more realistic. If the space is too small and layout operating goals are too big I'd rather  just freelance something to fit than model something in a manner that doesn't capture it's appearance or feeling.....DaveB

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hobbes1310

Thank you everyone for your

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and how each person  tackles it. What is coming  through is  using  LDE  to pick  key elements of what your trying to model.

So when people see it they can relate to the area your modeling.

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beachbum

Agree with Joe and Ken

I'm in the design / build stage of my shelfie (yes, I'm one of those heathens that designs while he builds) and I'm finding as I lay out potential track arrangements that it's much easier for me to leave out scenic elements or an industry spur than main tracks.  I'm specifically modeling the CN (ex-EJE) Leithton Sub from Normantown MP16.1 south to about MP 10 in Plainfield and it just doesn't look "real" without the two mains and the return to single track in Plainfield.  Of course it'll be compressed since I don't have space for 10 scale miles of track.

I'm pretty close to the BNSF (ex-BN) triple track and I ride METRA on that weekdays, but there's no way I could do a reasonable 3 track main in my space in HO.  Dropping to 2 tracks would look weird IMO.   Same for the UP (ex-CNW) a bit farther north.

 

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