Brad Ketchen OSCR

I'm sitting here watching a great film called 'Nebraska'. Lovely opening scene with tank cars set on a BNSF line in Montana. In doing so, I have a waft scent of tar with the windows cracked open on a lovely Summer evening. Living in
a condo in a busy condo construction zone in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. As I watch the film and huff the 'notes' of tar I realize
I am modeling an industry called 'Polytar'. A manufacturer of asphalt shingles.

An issue of Model Railroader a few Years back had an 'April Fools' article, they are sometimes hard to spot (Apr 2014 was hard to spot for me), they had an article where a modeler simulated rain on his layout during operating sessions. As real as it could be, not realistic with our wiring and possibly flooding our floors to our better halves consent.

But getting back to scent. I work in post production film. Mainly audio. I've always entertained scent as a 3rd element to the visual/audio experience for cinema goer's and whatever is in our midst of technology... The smell of a house on fire, a lovely field of lavender, the harsh smell of rotting flesh in a slasher film.... just putting it out there. My years of rail fanning have been in Northern Ontario Canada and in Southern parts of Ontario as well as in West Virginia with Chessie/Seabord/CSX back in the day. But every experience, train or not, is the scent of oil, creosote ties, mixed with vegetation on track side. Can it ever be replicated?

There's no way to mix it in the Cinema/Theatre stage to my knowledge. But as we progress (love the new Soundtraxx for railcars) maybe we can look forward to this?

 

Ontario South Central Railway, Toronto, Canada. 

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Benny

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Main problem, scent does not scale.  It goes everywhere.

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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ctxmf74

Can it ever be replicated?

Sure, creosote your benchwork and fertilize your stock cars, etc.  

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Brad Ketchen OSCR

@ctxmf74

The replication of Creosote would be nice but not the real stuff as an agent we'd want to huff for Medical reasons.

 

Ontario South Central Railway, Toronto, Canada. 

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Brad Ketchen OSCR

@Benny

Agreed. You'd need a Museum sized layout to *maybe* pull it off. Just putting it out there.

 

Ontario South Central Railway, Toronto, Canada. 

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Prof_Klyzlr

Scents : do-able

Dear OSCR,

There are various ways to do scents, right now.

- Mega-Steam do some scents, which are generated by smoke crackers.

http://megasteam.com/page2.html

Bearing in mind it's entirely possible to "drive" a suitable Seuthe smoke gen via a DCC decoder, this is one way of doing "DCC Scent"

- "Controllable" scent-generators are available, which use synthetic "aroma essences". The generators use either chemical reaction, water, or heat to "activate" the essence fluid, and then usually use a calibrated fan-forced system to control the "ammount" of scent, and the "cloud"/"dispersal.

Indeed, such systems have been used in commercial cinema situations, usually controlled by a sub-tone control track in the Dolby encoding.

Avatar in Korea
http://collider.com/avatar-goes-4d-in-korea/

Ads in Germany and UK
http://adage.com/article/news/smell-movie-theater-ad/129864/

Japan attempts
http://www.filmcomment.com/article/wake-up-and-smell-the-new-world
/> (NB this is the same country who are now broadcasting 22.2 3D audio free to the general public)

KoolFog
http://www.koolfog.com/scenting-delivery-system/applications/

The key to the success (or failure) of such systems is usually not the scent itself, but the delivery system.
Thinking "we'll just pump scent thru the A/C system" is prone to failure for it's "scattergun" approach.

In model RR terms, we generally have the benefit of:
- an enclosed space
- which is controlable in terms of draft, temp, and humidity
- and can accurately deploy fractions-of-a-milligram of scent essence where and when required.

It's do-able, if you really want to...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

PS use of Proscenium-style benchwork is immensely helpful in controlling both scent and sound SFX. The almost-fully-enclosed environment controls the diffusion and spread of the effect, nd greatly reduces the unwanted external effects.

PPS have witnessed very effective deployments of creosote'd ties, a single drop of the real (original) creosote kept a HO show-layout worth of tie-piles "smelling fresh and new" for over 9 months.

PPPS pungent smells tend to work best, or at least give the most "Oh poo, what's that smell?" effect for the least ammount of material and effort...
("Eau de stockyard" anyone?) 

PPPPS as with Scale Sound, 
where the actual dB SPL delivery volume is critically lower than most modellers realise, 
the key to eliminating "unwanted scent drift" and keep things in "scale perspective" is to use far less of the scent-generating essence, and deploy it very very locally...
(If the viewer has to lean-in to the scene to "smell the roses", then you can be sure you have "scale roses"... ).

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DKRickman

Scented smoke oil

I know that there are scented oils for use in smoke generators.  While I'm not a big fan of smoking model locomotives, perhaps those oils could be used (sparingly) to achieve the effect you're thinking of?

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Dave O

hmmm ...

... just getting my head around sound ... now you've added another thing to the bucket list ...  

Agree with the Professor, it should be "doable", just need to set your mind to it and work out the best solutions.

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HN1951

Olfactory Airs

Years ago (1970s or 80s)  in this grand hobby there was a product line called Olfactory Airs that tried this.  If I remember right is had 'smells' for things like roundhouses, creosote, various industrial applications, barn yards, forests and the like.  It used a small sponge and drops of some liquid applied to the sponge for the smell. There was no fan or heating element (I think) involved so it must of relied on air currents to disperse the odor.  Some of the smells were just plain nasty.  Needless to say it didn't stay around on the market.   .........  Rick

Rick G.
​C&O Hawks Nest Sub-division c. 1951

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rickwade

Scratch-n-sniff

So, here's what we can do: put "scratch-n-sniff" stickers on the bottom of rolling stock. For example, put a manure sticker on the bottom of a stock car and a oil smelling sticker on the bottom of a tank car. Next install small flexible wires sticking up between the ties that would scratch the stickers when the train with the sticker cars pass over them. WHAM! - you smell poop & oil!!! Of course I'm kidding!

Rick

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The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

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Bremner

Better idea

You can model a brewery and have a beer or two...taste and smell at the same time!

am I the only N Scale Pacific Electric Freight modeler in the world?

https://sopacincg.com 

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Dave O

I was thinking ...

... a pine forest would be a 'no brainer' ... plenty of pine scented stuff about.  I do like the brewery though ... really I do!  

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David Stewart

Detection

Perhaps proximity detection could be employed as a means of controlling the scent dispersal?

David Stewart

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JC Shall

More on Olfactory Airs

Hey, I remember those well.  They were produced in the mid 80s.  The biggest problem that I recall was that most of the scents only vaguely smelled of what they were supposed to be.  Some didn't resemble their namesake at all.  I recall experimenting using cotton balls for the "receptor" (a few drops on the cotton ball) and placing them in hidden places.  Visitors found It hard to determine exactly what they were smelling.  The odor didn't last long either....not nearly long enough for an entire operating session.

Then one day Olfactory Airs was gone.

If I were to use scents today, I'd probably want creosote, pine (for the forests) and perhaps some coal smoke or diesel exhaust.  Of course, they would have to be very subtle.

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redP

Olfactory Airs

I remember them. The main problem is that scents could not be kept separate, They kind of  blended together.

I never tried them, but I heard a few people say it made their layouts stink. Olfactory Airs were not around for very long. They turned out to be a major flop.

 Modeling Penn Central and early Amtrak in the summer of 1972

 

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alco251

Beer and Pies!

This takes me back to my first few years as a young drivers assistant(British Rail) we used to spend a lot of time in the town of Burton on Trent, as this was where we fueled and examined locos. Burton was the home of 4 different breweries as well as a meat pie factory add to this the Marmite factory (used the yeast) and on certain days the smell of brewing and meat pies cooking filled the town! It was a busy railway town as well, 3 steam sheds plus numerous industrial lines to the various breweries. It was said there were well over 300 level crossings in the town.

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rickwade

Oh, the smells of childhood!

A a child growing up in St. Matthews, KY about 15 miles East of downtown Louisville as the crow flies I can remember clearly the smells when the wind blew from West to East.  You see, downtown Louisville at the time (1950's & 60's) had (4) breweries, (3) distilleries, and a huge stockyard.  The air often spelled like beer, sour mash, and cattle %%$$!

Rick

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The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

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Prof_Klyzlr

Pine

Dear Dave O,

For those modellers using pine layout framing, they theoretically should have it automatically?

For those wishing to consciously give the effect:
- a timer-dispenser "pine" air freshener will puff out a measured burst every 5, 10, or 20 minutes
- for those concerned about liquid residue, a small timer-powered fan blowing past a "pine" car air freshener or similar would give a controllable residue-free result

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

 

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Prof_Klyzlr

Proximity detection

Dear Dave S,

Quote:

Perhaps proximity detection could be employed as a means of controlling the scent dispersal?

"People detection" options are available, inc the RTR solution from Pricom. http://www.pricom.com/Trains/MotionSensor.shtml

Tag with their PNET system, and DCC drive/decoders, and full layout/proximity/time-of-day effects are entirely do-able...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Prof_Klyzlr

Creosote, Diesel, and "Subtle"

Dear Jack,

Quote:

If I were to use scents today, I'd probably want creosote, pine (for the forests) and perhaps some coal smoke or diesel exhaust.  

Check in with MegaSteam, they have the scents you are acking for...

Quote:

Of course, they would have to be very subtle.

t'ain't nuttin' subtle about the pungent stench of creosote...
(Subtle in "localisation", sure.
However, if it's subtle in terms of "delicate on the olefactory palette", 
then it ain't creosote... ).

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Prof_Klyzlr

Smells blend together : ex Olefactory Aire

Dear NS,

Quote:

I remember them. The main problem is that scents could not be kept separate, They kind of  blended together.

Sounds (pun not intended) just like some "objectionable" LayoutSound deployments,
in the sense that it's not the effect itself, but a poor (excessive, uncontrolled) depoloyment of said effect that's ruining it overall.

When it comes to sound, and presumably scents, it is entirely possible to have it "too loud/much/pungent"

Quote:

I never tried them, but I heard a few people say it made their layouts stink....

Assuming "the few people" you canvassed were using the O-A "moo poo", "creosote", and other "objectionable" type scents O-A specialised in, then would this not suggest that they actually were a success?
(In the same way that a well weathered car looks "dirty",
and the Warehouse Rave Party on "Brooklyn:3AM" feels "noisy",
a stockyard which "stinks" would seem to be entirely appropriate... ).

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

 

 

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Prof_Klyzlr

Smells of childhood...

Dear Alco, Rick,

There is a CSX switching area just East of Mansfield on the NEC known as "the Chocolate". It received this name because of a nearby chocolate factory (which was not rail served IIRC),
which occasionally covered the area with a vapour cloud of "chocolate scent" when in full-production.

It occurs that a layout modelling this area could well do with a chocolate variant of a "fondue heater", or a "chocolate fountain", to emulate the localised namesake scent... 

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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dhopf1

Scents on the Layout

There was a n-scale module in Florida that featured a stockyard that had a crock pot underneath the yard filled with moo poo and water cooking away. It was removed after a few shows. The moo poo scent was too strong.

 

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ctxmf74

"It occurs that a layout

"It occurs that a layout modelling this area could well do with a chocolate variant of a "fondue heater", or a "chocolate fountain", to emulate the localised namesake scent..."

   and a hot bun inside the bread factory?  

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JC Shall

I Said, Prof Said

Quote:

I had said (in an earlier discussion about making ties):  Am I the only other guy out there that actually likes the smell of creosote?

Quote:

Prof sez:  t'ain't nuttin' subtle about the pungent stench of creosote...

The professor obviously isn't the other guy!

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