Joe Atkinson IAISfan

After 14 years of modeling the IAIS, last week I was thrown off course for several days when I learned about the Rock Island trustee's proposed (but eventually rejected) plans for the railroad's "core" reorganization in the late 1970s.  (For those of you not familiar with the IAIS, it's a regional railroad that operates the former RI mainline from Chicago to Council Bluffs, as well as several branches.)  The trustee's plan was to do away with essentially all RI lines west of Omaha and south of Kansas City, and to operate what remained with a smaller all-EMD roster, where all GEs (that I was never really a fan of), Alcos, and unrebuilt 567-engined EMDs would be sold and the proceeds used to buy more new GP38-2s, some MP15ACs, and 30-40 more SD40-2s - my favorite locomotives.

The segment of the IAIS I model was a part of that planned RI core, so the idea of backdating the layout to model a downsized RI set in about 1982, with just a few remaining examples of the soon-to-be-retired power, and with a much more SD40-2-centric roster, seemed very attractive.  There would be no Rock Island west of the portion I model, so operations would actually look a lot like the IAIS's West End of my present era, plus some UP run-through traffic and coal trains off of both UP and BN to power plants on the RI.  With the simplified operating scheme, the RI likely would have pulled up the same tracks the IAIS did in order to cut costs, so changes to the layout itself would be minimal.  And there'd be cabooses!  I've long missed caboose operations, and I've often thought that if I wasn't modeling the IAIS, I'd choose a prototype set back in the late 1970s or early 80s so cabooses would still be active.

What gave me pause regarding this plan was the thought of starting from scratch on my car and locomotive rosters...and all those sound installs!  Suddenly, the idea began to lose its appeal.  Then I started looking at what I'd actually gain in exchange for all that work.  The core RI roster would actually have been surprisingly similar to what I have today, with the IAIS opting for GP38s instead of GP40s, and SD38-2s (ex-LLPX units in RI-like light blue and white, no less) instead of SD40-2s.  Instead of UP run-throughs, the IAIS had UP detours during my era, as well as sharing an intermodal ramp with the UP, allowing me to run their SD40-2s, MP15ACs, and modern power. 

When all was said and done, about the only thing the IAIS didn't have to offer was caboose operations.  However, that's more than offset by the enjoyment I get from strict prototype modeling.  There's a sense of satisfaction that comes from recreating scenes and operations I actually experienced that I've never been able to match with proto-freelancing.

(And if the caboose itch gets too bad, I've got a small stockpile of Bluford Shops MP short bay window cabooses that'd make great would-be IAIS cabooses when the mood strikes.  When these recurring temptations toward "mission creep" hit me, I've found that just giving in and building an example of the model that's tempting me is all it takes to satisfy the urge.  (Edit:  I should have clarified that this only works for me if that model is an extension of my primary theme vs. a wholesale change in prototypes.)  For example, after years of wanting a what-if IAIS F-unit, buying F's and then selling them again at a loss when discipline returned, I finally gave in and modeled an ex-MILW F7A that spent some time on the IAIS years ago.  Now that I have it, it sits inside the enginehouse, with no temptation to run it.)

In the end, I thought this was an interesting exercise, and it only reinforced my choice of prototypes as a fit for my interests.  For someone like me who used to jump around to modeling a new prototype every few years, it says something that my interest in the IAIS has held up for 14 years and can withstand an "attack" like this.  There's a lot of peace and enjoyment that comes from that contentment, and deciding to stay the course has really motivated me in my work on the layout.

Joe Atkinson
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pschmidt700

I admire that, Joe

Your ability to pass through the "crisis stage" unscathed, having evaluated and faced the temptations, is really admirable. It's hard to keep blinders on, isn't it, Joe?

"Mission creep" was something I suffered from sometimes as well. My cure has been to model favorites prototypes or interests with smaller layouts. Hence Ettinsmoor (my "distorted C-shaped" British 4mm layout) and Slate Fork (my N scale HCD layout); they will someday be joined by Sequim Bay Logging, an around-the-walls HO scale layout set in the early 1900s based on a logging line near my hometown. It awaits my son moving into my daughter's bedroom, once she leaves the nest. That will free up a 10x9 bedroom.

And, the Milwaukee Road still beckons. ...

 

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Bill Brillinger

Thanks for sharing!

Joe, we hall have those "what have I done" or "hmmm... if I only changed this" moments. 14 years on task and still happy with the outcome speaks very strongly. It says your decisions so far are "spot on."

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas over the years - it's good to see not only the successes, but the struggles and decision points other modelers face. It's nice to know we're not alone !

Cheers!

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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ljcasey1

dang...

I thought I might get a cheap Paducah out of the yard sale.....sighhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Loren (LJ) Casey

Maryville, IL

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splitrock323

There is always temptation

A modern ROCK has tempted many modelers. I see posts of wonderful looking RI SD60 and 70's. The caboose is a great temptation on itself. I operate on a friends NYC-DH layout with Passenger trains. Talk about temptation to backdate. I hope you stay happy with the West End, and always look forward to your updates and helpful hints. But if you ever decide to go back to 1982, I am right behind Loren in the yardsale looking at those former Reserve Mining SD-38-2's. Thomas Gasior

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kleaverjr

What about doing both in the future?

Just a thought.  Once you complete the IAIS roster of locomotives and cars, you can start working on a second roster of RI equipment?  Maybe when you see a great deal on a locomotive or caboose you acquire it now.  Focus on the IAIS now, but keep that second roster as a possible option for the future. 

I plan on doing the same thing myself, except instead of a different railroad/time, it would be a different time.  I am focusing on 1953 (steam and diesel) for now, but eventually would like to do a 1963 (all diesel) and a 1923 (all steam), and maybe even 1943 (to do a world war II themed operations).  For the moment the focus is 1953, and there will be some equipment that will span multiple eras, but I keep that in the back of my mind as a future possibility. 

Ken L.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thank you...and an idea

Paul and Bill - Thank you for your support and encouragement.

Loren and Thomas - You two are vultures!   But I'm flattered! 

Ken - I really like your idea!  Unfortunately, at 48, and with our 401k still recovering from a major hit due to an $80k retaining wall repair last year, the reality is that the money I'd be putting toward a RI roster really needs to go toward retirement.  If I made the switch to the RI, I'm afraid the IAIS roster would have to be used to fund it, and I don't think I have the heart to do that.  Those are my babies!  I was thinking that, if i was to backdate, I could re-use my IAIS covered hopper fleet, all of which are just simple "IAIS" patch jobs with new numbers, by stating that "Iowa Interstate" was simply a paper railroad the RI created at reorganization, but the costs of the other rolling stock and power would still be significant.

Hmmm...that's given me an idea though, just as I was typing the line above:  Given the 1970s vintage of IAIS's locomotives and most of their rolling stock, I could - either permanently or occasionally - backdate my existing railroad by simply removing such things as 53' 3-wells and ARMN reefers and adding cabooses and more RI rolling stock and power.  It'd make sense that a railroad might re-brand itself following a bankruptcy, so maybe "Iowa Interstate", instead of being a 1984 startup regional, was actually just RI's 1980 renaming of its new core system, an attempt to put its woes behind with yet another paint scheme.  Iowa was​ the center of the proposed core, with the primary east-west and north-south arteries crossing at Des Moines.  IAIS even uses RI's pre-bankruptcy blue herald, and the paint scheme is black, red, and yellow - classic RI colors.  Also, there's long been talk that RI was going to return to a black paint scheme, so IAIS colors fit the bill there as well.

If I went with a backdated IAIS, my need for RI models would be much more economical.  The IAIS's own 22 GP38-2s could serve as those I mentioned earlier that RI planned to buy as part of the reorganization, so a handful of RI GP38-2s, GP40s, and SD40-2s to show IAIS's lineage, maybe a few new SD40-2s and MP15ACs in IAIS paint to reflect new purchases, a couple RI cabooses to supplement those MP-style cabs that IAIS ordered new, and a couple dozen RI cars.

Besides the presence of ditch lights on my IAIS roster - all of which are non-functional except for some new power that's due to arrive soon - my major concern would be plausibility.  I've heard it said that the major test for believability in a proto-freelance environment is the amount of effort it takes to explain the concept, and I'm not sure how this idea holds up in that light.  I'd appreciate feedback in that regard.

At least this would be an economical way to have my cake and eat it too.  For now, I'm going to put it on the back burner, because as I mentioned in the initial post, just giving myself permission to do something different has historically proven to be all it takes to quiet those temptations.  My guess is that I'll continue to stay the course with strictly modeling the IAIS, but it's fun to consider this option.  It'd allow me to recreate both IAIS memories and the few RI recollections I have, in their prototype locale - essentially moving my favorite modern prototype back to what has long been my favorite era of railroading, the height of the SD40-2 era.

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Bill Brillinger

Here's an idea...

If you feel the need to invent (sorry if this has been said, I can't recall)
... why not create a RI heritage fleet for the IAIS. ? Just a few Locos would do. Give 'em shoving platforms in RI colours and your fiction is "away to the races" so to speak

Bill Brillinger

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jrbernier

Kansas City Northern

  Another of the 'proposals' right after the shut down was a joint KCS-BN purchase of the 'Spine Line' and the 'Bow & Arrow' branches off from it.  Financing never happened and the C&NW won the eventual bidding war for the property.  Of course, these are all UP lines now...

  I even thought of 'going modern' with my Milwaukee Road branch lines and rationalized a sale to BNSF.....Naw, too much work!

Jim

Modeling The Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin

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Art in Iowa

Lots of temptation here..

Tell you Joe, you're doing good.

The idea of backdating or even staying on the same date but proto-freelancing does sound interesting.

BTW, you really need to stick that F unit on a through train sometime and scare the crew.

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Philip R Taylor

Proto Freelance and Backdating

Joe

Yes proto freelance has a huge appeal.  Most of the finished and operating model railroads I see are not the prototype ones but the proto-freelance or quasi-freelance.  It is interesting to guess what could have happened if lines were kept under re-organized ownership.  If you want to go crazy how about the following:

RI gets bought our by DRGW with Amtrak Calif Z running over it creating a unified Chicago to SF Bay single main line.  During the bankruptcy the signal system is gone so TWC is the order of the day.  All DRGW/WP and SP traffic out of the SF Bay goes east or west on an over capacity single track mainline.  Most of the motive power is what is used by IAIS but more modern power is run through from connecting roads.  If you can't buy it then rent or lease it thus justifying any sort of lease of current power.  Slide your time line by moving up bankruptcy to an earlier era to take advantage of both cabooses and maybe more federal largess having all this transpire during the same time frame as Conrail. 

Just a crazy thought

Phil Taylor

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loren casey

wow

never been called a vulturist before....gonna have to look that up in wikipedia....

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Pflarrian

Prototype Freelancing...

Glad to see I'm not the only one who has gone down a road like this, not that I expected otherwise. I'd spent some time considering what would have come about from the proposed M&StL/TP&W merger that never happened, or what would have been if the Milwaukee Road kept the Pacific Extension up and bought new electrics (E33's and such in Milwaukee Road orange and black?), but my favorite idea right now is "what would have come about if when the C&NW got rid of what had once been the Minnesota Western, what would have happened if the local groups that were trying to keep it running actually succeeded? I picture second-(or third-)hand, rebuilt Baldwin switchers with EMD motors (CNW rebuilt a lot of them during that era)...

- Brian Panthera, MN

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fecbill

80K retaining wall repair??

Was that a typo??? Man maybe my hill out back looks ok and I will deal with the weeds..

 

Bill Michael

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Retaining wall

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80K retaining wall repair??

Was that a typo???

I wish it was Bill!   Good thing we're not taking it with us! 

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Annnnd we're back!

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My guess is that I'll continue to stay the course with strictly modeling the IAIS, but it's fun to consider this option.

The above guess turned out to be true - the "storm" has passed and I'm still on course.  As interesting as this proto-freelanced concept seems to me on the surface, I couldn't get past the idea of playing so fast and loose with reality.  I still think this concept would be fun, but mere "fun" isn't enough to satisfy me long-term now.  The deeper interest that's driven me toward strict prototype modeling of the IAIS, and kept me satisfied for the past 14 years, while also fun, has exceeded anything I've ever experienced in the hobby before.  Taking away the boundaries that keep me from building a particular model that catches my eye would, strangely enough, erase that deeper satisfaction.

With strict prototype modeling, I have a clear goal - recreating the environs, equipment, and operations of a small segment of the IAIS in May 2005 - and the accompanying sense of satisfaction when I get to achieve that goal in small increments on the layout.  If the layout has to be supported by a back story of my own making, then what I enjoy the most in this hobby starts to crumble.  For me, prototype modeling is like the deeper enjoyment I get from watching a movie that's based on a true story versus one that's fiction.  Sure, there's great fiction out there (Forest Gump, Star Wars, etc.), and even the "true story" examples (e.g. Zero Dark Thirty) have to take liberties, but overall, I get a much deeper sense of satisfaction from reality than I do from "make believe".

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Bremner

Well...

Of course you can always slide a Rock Island loco in...all you really need is a loco or two and a caboose for a local

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kleaverjr

That is what is great about this hobby..

We all get satisfaction from different aspects of the hobby.  I love prototype modeling.  I almost wish I could convince myself to do it.  Almost.  Why don't I?  For me, there are two fundamental reasons.  First, there isn't a prototype that exists that would allow me to model certain things I want to model.  Particularly the kind of bridges I want to have.  If I were to model an actual railroad I would feel compelled to do so faithfully, with only compressing scenes, not creating fictional ones.  The closest railroad that comes to what I like in terms of traffic is the P&LE.  it's a wholly owned subsidiary of the NYC which I like, but it doesn't have all the scenic elements i'm looking for.  The other reason why I don't model a prototype is I spent the past 15+ years developing a VERY detailed backstory to the history of my Proto-Freelanced Pennsylvania & Allegheny.  From what parts of predecessor railroads could the P&A acquire instead of what actually happened, to developing a story how the P&A becomes associated with the NYC, and so on.

So I can sympathize with you Joe in terms of what drives your enjoyment to the hobby, and not wishing to change it.  It just happens we are on opposites side of I think the same coin.   That is our reluctance to go the "other way" because I for one fear, if I were to follow an actual prototype, I would loose too much of what I enjoy and want to see on my model railroad empire, and what "drives me" would be lost.  That, and it would feel like a waste of 15+ years of work developing the history of the P&A. 

Ken L

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Different approaches

I understand Ken, and I'm glad you're having fun.

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That, and it would feel like a waste of 15+ years of work developing the history of the P&A. 

I'm not trying to sway you here in any way, but if your hobby provided relaxation and enjoyment for those 15+ years, it wasn't a waste. 

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pschmidt700

Narrow gauge fever

Joe, have you been inoculated yet against narrow gauge fever? I hear the Colorado strain is particularly invasive.
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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Hitting below the belt

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Joe, have you been inoculated yet against narrow gauge fever? I hear the Colorado strain is particularly invasive.

That's just plain mean Paul!  As if I don't already have enough temptations to deal with. 

I had a touch of narrow gauge fever back in the 1980s I believe, after MR had an issue devoted to the subject.  In the end, though, I found that I needed to model something closer to home...that ran SD40-2s. 

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kleaverjr

The "cure" for Narrow Gauge Fever..

...is to join a local model railroad club that has narrow gauge!   I'm lucky that one of the local model railroad club's has an O Scale layout that has an Eastern type Narrow Gauge line which is PERFECT to satisfy that "itch".  LOL

Ken L.

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Bill Brillinger

Narrow Gauge Fever....

Well, If I ever got bit by the Narrow Gauge Bug, I know exactly where I'd go...

White Pass, or USG.  I loves' me a blue MLW DL-535E

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Loss of focus

When a Rock Island thread turns into a discussion on narrow gauge, you KNOW we're having trouble maintaining focus.  It's no wonder I was second-guessing my prototype choice!

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Virginian and Lake Erie

It sounds like you have just

It sounds like you have just insured the viability of your railroad. At some time in the future when you have completed all of the rolling stock for your railroad and built all the structures and have it running flawlessly, you now have something to turn to. Pure brilliance the railroad will be built and when no more models need to be procured for the present layout you can begin building a new roster for the different time and road name. You have found a way to build a second railroad and reuse everything from your first layout.

People will be envious of your plan.

Rob in Texas

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