Tony35

anybody model any N scale slugs?

thinking about tackling this "bash" to have one on the roster

never did a "bash" of this level so it will be a big learning curve

thinking of starting with a burned up atlas loco and modify / order parts as needed

got any ideas or other info that might be helpful?

plus if you have a burned up atlas loco GP/SD or something that is ready for the trash can please contact me

thanks Tony

 

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Bremner

I have a kato built Atlas

U25B that I am thinking about turning into a TEBU. Your not the only one who is thinking about this conversion

am I the only N Scale Pacific Electric Freight modeler in the world?

https://sopacincg.com 

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Tony35

yes if you want one you have

yes if you want one you have to make it yourself

im up for the challenge just not 100% sure how to go about it

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Prof_Klyzlr

Which slug?

Dear Tony,

Building slugs is not too difficult, but first I am prompted to ask, what kind of slug

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/slugs.html

are we talking?

 

- BNSF 3957 (slug mated with GP7u out of Hutchinson, KS)

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=984932

 

- IHB PB-series

PB1-3 = "complete rebuild"
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=409075

PB4 - onwards = "simple kitbash"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fidenciomarbella/6773377682/

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/modelthumbs.aspx?id=IHB&mid=885&Page=4

 

- CSX "road slug" 2216 et al

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locopicture.aspx?id=59648

 

- SP "TEBU"

http://espee.railfan.net/sptebu.html

 

or other???

 

Many of the above can be had quickly with not much more than:
- remove the cab
- replace with styrene, Cannon Co hood parts, or a spare shell

and possibly keep the existing drivetrain.
(the CSX slugs don't even need that,
just shave the cast-on details on some of the hood doors,
plate over some of the removed roof-top details, 
weather, and you're done... ).

The "lowered hood" units can possibly be had by rotating/remounting the motor to lower the overall mech profile,
and "slicing a few feet off the bottom" of the hood casting.

For "total kitbash" slugs such as IHB PB1, it's likely you'll be looking as repowering,
using either extreme motor/gearbox engineering
(check what some of the UK narrow gaugers have done in HOn30, 
http://www.nigellawton009.com/VeeTipper.html)

under-floor units such as those offered by Kato
http://www.modeltrainsnthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/kato-mechanism.jpg

of simply removing the truck worm and geartrain and accepting the slug as a "dummy" unit.

Short answer being, building a slug is not too difficult, as long as you know what slug you're aiming for in the first place...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to improve,
Prof Klyzlr

PS even for the "dummy" slugs, add a TCS FL4 decoder + SMD LEDs,
and it can have all the lights one would expect from a slug too...

 

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kalbert

Parts Dept. Slug

Here's a build thread on a CNW Alco slug. The thread doesn't include how I did the frame. It was done with new frame halves from Atlas modified to shed the fuel tank area and a pair of trucks. Total cost was about $25 for everything. Non powered of course, but it rides along just fine. http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthread.php?27744-Building-an-Alco-Slug
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Tony35

Which Slug

the slug im thinking about is (from your first link) CN #200

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cn200a.jpg

some great info thanks for posting it

 

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Tony35

Part Dept Slug

very nice build

going more for the lower profile slug but the thread has some good info and tips on what you did with the shell

thanks

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Prof_Klyzlr

Target acquired, form a plan...

Dear Tony,

Great, now that we know what we're aiming for, we can start forming a plan of attack.

CN 200 appears to be based on a GP7, with the trucks and basic hood assemblies showing traces of their heritage.
However, the overall length looks suspiciously short for a full-length GP7 frame.

This prompts 3 possible ways-forward:

Powered unit: Kato (japan style, as linked above) mech with donor GP7 sideframes, frame and hood castings

Dummy unit: GP7 donor, shortened metal and plastic casting frames, cab removed
(with resulting short + long hood halves overall length matching the shortened frame),
geartrain removed from the trucks.

Dummy unit: GP7 donor body shell + plastic frame casting, on top of donor LifeLike SW1200 trucks+mech/metal-frame.

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Maple Leaf Trains?

I noticed in the June News column that Maple Leaf Trains is offering an HO scale Canadian slug,  http://mapleleaftrains.com/index.php/locomotives/gp9-slug .  Perhaps too late for you, and not exactly the right model for your particular prototype, but maybe they could be convinced to do this or a smaller variant in N scale?

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Tony35

Target Slug

it does not have to be as short as the proto but i like that style

i was originally thinking GP7/9 so im on the right path there

want to make it an un-powered dummy unit

so now it sounds like i need to find a scrap loco now

trying not to break the bank on this project

 

thanks Prof

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Tony35

Maple Leaf

im really surprised nobody even makes a dummy slug in N scale

all the ones i have found were "bashed" to get one

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Prof_Klyzlr

Nike was onto something...

Dear Tony,

Given their ease of bashing from existing materials, and relative rarity/lack-of-following,
I can kinda understand why manufacturers would be loathe to go there...
(that Maple Leaf shell looks good, and it would make a great starting-point...).

Besides which, I just found on an impulsive eBay search:
- complete Atlas N scale GP7 shells inc handrails and frame casting for US$10
- complete working new B'mann N scale GP7s for $30
- and Atlas 2nd hand N scale units for the same ammount

Looks well-do-able from here...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Tony35

Makes Sense

that would be my guess just not enough interest in N scale dummy slugs

i figured epay would have something

just dont do the fee-bay.....maybe i might have to setup an account

 

thanks again Prof

 

 

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apv105

Slug

 

I have a sw1200 slug I picked up on Feebay.  It's an old and beat up N scale. Split frame design and set up for a light.

Maybe its not a true slug but a "calf" or a "cow". Not sure of the diff.

Picked up it and a mini trix 0-6-0 for 5bucks for the pair.

The shell doesnt look kitbashed but rather a factory item.

Needs new railings and a paint job.

Do a Google for "N scale SW1200".

 

 

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Tony35

Slug

yes poking around the web looking at protos of slugs i came across that setup

looks a bit to big for the slug im after

thanks

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Prof_Klyzlr

slug VS calf

Dear ??? Just a clarification, "Calf" units (switcher equivalent of a mainline "B unit") is a fully-functional locomotive, (IE has it's own diesel prime mover/engine, generator, traction motors, fuel, and braking systems), but has no "where can the human drive it from?" cab or controls. Such Cabless B-units/calves take their commands from a coupled loco (with a cab for the human engineer ), via the MU cables. In short, a Calf/B-unit is a conplete, fully operable, fully-self-powered loco, just missing the cab. In contrast, a Slug does not have the diesel prime mover or generator, and is not capable of "self powering"/"self-movement". Think of a Slug as a "heavy flatcar with electric motors connected to the wheels". The slug's traction motors take electrical power from the coupled "full loco", (IE the slug is actually parasitic, feeding off the "mother" full-loco's excess voltage), thus adding "powered axles" (IE converting a 4-axle switcher into an "8-axle switcher" ), without adding the cost and maintanence of a 2nd diesel engine+generator to the equation. True B-units/calf units are relatively rare nowadays, due to manufacturing efficiencies (it's easier for a production line to build 100 cab-equipped units than 98 cab and 2 oddball no-cab B-units), And operational flexibility (if an MU consist of cabbed-locos is split, each cab-equipped loco can be easily driven away standalone, and do meaningful work solo. Split a cabless B-unit from it's "mate", and it cannot be used for "proper duties", if at all. Some slugs are equipped with "hostler controls" for <5mph movement around engine terminals and suchlike, but you would't want to try and do an entire 12hour "local switching job" shift like that...) Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr
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Tony35

Slug vs Calf

great explanation Prof

thanks

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pschmidt700

Haysi Railroad

Prof, I've often wondered how the crew of the Haysi Railroad with its converted B-unit switcher got along. Like you said, a day's work at tipples in that cabless beast would have challenging. Somehow the Haysi managed though; they might have been in hog heaven with an A unit for power.
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gonzo

somewhere

Somewhere here I have an N scale CNR slug I built a few years back, it must be stashed away in one of many boxes. I have no idea where to start looking. Here's an HO version of the same thing I still haven't finished after many years:

cn_slug.jpg 

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Tony35

slug

very nice build

would like to see that N scale version if you could find it

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gonzo

Hey I'll see if it turns up

Hey I'll see if it turns up as I get the Chamber of the Sacred Rails back up and sorted out. I went thru a purge phase not long ago and have no idea what I kept or let go or for that matter bought... everyday is like my birthday now when I open a box!

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Tony35

surprise

you cant beat that

i know when i got back into N scale i felt the same way opening the boxes up

hopefully you still have it

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nscalejames

Slug instructions

These are the best instructions I have found.  I also want to do a couple of CN GP7 slugs and am planning to use this method

http://www.cp-forum.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=585

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flight2000

Conrail MT-4 Slug

Here's one I built back in 2012. Not overly difficult since it's not powered. http://www.lakeshoremodeltrains.com/mt-4_project.htm Cheers, Brian
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Tony35

Very Nice

great builds

here is how far i am on mine

 

06141919.jpg 

6141919a.jpg 

still needs work but we are getting there

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