herronp

Go figure!  Same item-vastly different results!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121269095969
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171242225027&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:3160

I don't understand why the second place bidder from the first auction didn't snap up the "bargain priced"  second listing? 

How do you spell shill bid??

Hmm............

Peter

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LKandO

I know, right?

I have saved searches for many terms related to my prototype railroad. The disparity you point out between identical items happens more frequently than on would ever imagine. Makes you wonder how many people stop at the first item they search for and never look at the remainder of the search results.

Just last week and the week prior two identical NIB pieces of rolling stock (ACY 40' OB boxcar Proto2000 HO) sold by two different sellers. One sold for the usual $22.00. The other sold for $77.00!!!!!!!! The bid listing showed two people fighting it out manually, not with automatic bids. Makes no sense at all.

You are right, it can be entertaining at times. 

Alan

All the details:  http://www.LKOrailroad.com        Just the highlights:  MRH blog

When I was a kid... no wait, I still do that. HO, 28x32, double deck, 1969, RailPro
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Larry of Z'ville

The nature of auctions

For what ever reason, two people got caught up in the frenzy far an item. Neither of the examples are truly rare. So, something else drove them to bid. I've seen it several times. On a few of those times, I have had a second copy of the item. E-bay has the second chance offer for that reason. I try to make the offer ASAP after the end of the frenzy. Most are refused. I think what is going on is the loser is ready to buy and he finds something of equal interest. These are buyers of the moment. A person like Alan, who is looking for a specific set of items knows the price he is willing to bid. He does not go over that price. He would see the second item come up, even eleven days later. He is patiently looking for what he wants at a price that he's willing to pay. The buyer of the moment is not patient and is not looking for specific items. He is off bidding on another impulse. I think around half the buyers on e-bay are buyers of the moment. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

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Nelsonb111563

Impulse Buying!

These are mostly impulse bidders and get caught up in the "game" and hate to lose.  Good for the seller as long as he or she get's paid!  I find that when I get a bidding war on an item, it's usually between 2 bidders where one has to "out bid" the other at all cost's!  A lot of times the item sells for 2 to 3 times it's value and sometimes even more than brand new!

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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Mycroft

Last week

Ic pullman diner went for 86$.  4 days later I got the same thing for 27$.  Though some of the difference was the second one was offered as a buy it now.  Always be patient, it always comes around again.

James Eager

City of Miami, Panama Limited, and Illinois Central - Mainline of Mid-America

Plant City MRR Club, Home to the Mineral Valley Railroad

NMRA, author, photographer, speaker, scouter (ask about Railroading Merit Badge)

 

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JodyG

Athearn semi trailers

There were two different auctions for these trailers that were run up to $72 recently. Nuts. Link to auction.

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JLandT Railroad

It has been interesting of late...

As Jody has pointed out those Athearn HO Trailers have been all over the place. Clearly there is a demand for prime movers & trailers at the moment, the prices are so wide and varied its crazy. I've seen some sets going for $35 Buy It Now, and then others go for $65 plus! One prime mover went for over $72...
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Benny

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Quote:

The game is to bid people up and not go over.  Like the price is right.  if you see bids for strange numbers like 19.78, 20.78, 21.78 in a row it is a person bid some one up.  once you see the number change the person biding up knows to stop as he has hit the limits of the other bidder. 

If you see a bunch of bids like 21.00,22.00,23.00 etc. with out odd numbers in it you know that person normally wants the item and is just bidding the kitchen sink to win.

I always bid a random number to beat out the person who bids the even number.  $21.78 is a far better bid than 21.00, because the person sniping with 21.00 will not win if the high bidder is $21.78.  Ancient Ebay bidding tip, never bid a whole value.

I have been known to up the bid on something I want going all the way up to what I know is a fair price, if it's a ridiculous price and I don't think there will be much activity and I don't feel like sniping.  Bidding high early is a recipe for paying far more than what you might have if you sniped or even if you just entered a low bid.  If you put a wall up, people will pick at it until they go $1.00 above it; if you only build a low wall, you still have your reserve wall to drop later when they're not suspecting it.

And yes, I use sniper software, happily!

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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Larry of Z'ville

There is a seasonal nature

To some of this. December to the end of March are terrible times to get bargains on train items via auction. Lots of people inside in the northern hemisphere. Lots of train activity, leading to lots of buyers. Great if your selling, not so good if your buying. I buy a lot of stuff via auction. Unless you want to live waiting to make the last minute bid, you have to take a different tact. For me, it means figure out what price and when to bid. That is seldom at the last minute. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

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Mycroft

I have been using E-bay for many many years

And I have come to the following conclusions:

 

1.  Know the value of what you are bidding on and set your "willing to pay price accordingly"

2.  Never, ever bid before the last few moments of the auction.  If it is already past your willing to pay price, let it go.  Another of the same article ALWAYS comes along.

3.  Buy it now works good, if your price is higher then that being asked.

4.  Bidding before the last minute does nothing but drive up the final price.  Doing so is foolish.

5.  Entertain second chance buys.  If that is under your "willing to pay price", take it. 

James Eager

City of Miami, Panama Limited, and Illinois Central - Mainline of Mid-America

Plant City MRR Club, Home to the Mineral Valley Railroad

NMRA, author, photographer, speaker, scouter (ask about Railroading Merit Badge)

 

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Pete Steinmetz

Snipe

I use Esnipe and never look until after the auction.  If I get it, great.  If not, it will come up again.

 

Pete Steinmetz

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Pete Steinmetz

E Bay Shipping Charges

There are some real idiot sellers on E Bay that use shipping as a profit center.  Don't they realize how many people won't bid on their auctions because of high shipping?

 

I figure "Total Cost" of an item which is the amount I am willing to pay including shipping.

 

For many sellers, the high shipping figured into the total cost takes their item out of consideration.

 

Pete Steinmetz

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nvrr49

Patience can pay off

I won something this week that I have been trying to get for that price for probably 10 years.

I am one who usually puts my price in when I see the item, and don’t look back.

Kent iin KC
nvrr49.blogspot.com

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Jacob Bossert

INSANE

Wow this insane 265 dollars for a building kit that you can get for 50 bucks at a train store. No way I would buy that for that price. Ebay isn't the way you should go if you want something cheap everyone will just bid it up.

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Jacob Bossert

I completely agree with you

I completely agree with you on that.

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Benny

...

You guys just don't know how to bid...

Who cares if someone bids it up - don't ever enter a high "I've Got to have it" bid days in advance in the first place, they will nick it up to that rate or better.  All the bidding advice ebay gives you is purposely set to help incur a higher final value.  [Bid early, bid high!]

And shipping, take a five pound box over to USPS and see how far you can ship it for ten dollars!!!!  Nobody's getting rich off shipping!

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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Larry of Z'ville

Don't be surprised

If the auction part goes away totally. E-bay is doing a number of things to discourage auctions. They also want the shipping to be free. They are hitting the sellers with higher fees on both counts. Look for it to be Buy it now or make an offer. Could be as early as April 2015. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

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ctxmf74

E-bay is doing a number of things to discourage auctions

 I don't see anything anti-auction on there?  The shipping is never free, it is either added into the price or billed separately , Ebay has no control over shipping costs, they are are set by the USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc. Don't overthink it, ebay is  just a market place to buy and sell stuff....DaveB

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Mycroft

i talked to e-bay support recently (Jan 2014)

They want to become another amazon and get away from auctions.  They want everyone to put their credit card up and paypal it now.  For example, did you know that since Jan 2014 that a buy it now does not notify the seller until your pay with your credit card?  I hold one of the last ids that still is not hooked to a credit card.  And I won't do paypal, so e-bay is becoming a real pain for me.

James Eager

City of Miami, Panama Limited, and Illinois Central - Mainline of Mid-America

Plant City MRR Club, Home to the Mineral Valley Railroad

NMRA, author, photographer, speaker, scouter (ask about Railroading Merit Badge)

 

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ctxmf74

a buy it now does not notify the seller until your pay

The seller can check that option or not, but there's little incentive for a seller to not use that feature since it cuts down on the time they have to wait for payment and it filters out the kooks who wanna buy it now and send some sketchy payment later . Despite what you might hear ebay is not going to stop having auctions as long as they make  big bucks off them and sellers are not going to stop using ebay as long as it has the best liquidity of any auction site.....DaveB

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Mycroft

It is no longer an option as of Jan 2014

I was talking to one seller on the phone when I hit buy it now.  Then after he canceled the "auction" I bought the item via credit card on the phone.  (beat someone else to the item by mere minutes too).  E-bay support on the phone tells us tha tthis is a new feature of what they envision becoming.  Too bad.  E-bay died this year.

James Eager

City of Miami, Panama Limited, and Illinois Central - Mainline of Mid-America

Plant City MRR Club, Home to the Mineral Valley Railroad

NMRA, author, photographer, speaker, scouter (ask about Railroading Merit Badge)

 

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ctxmf74

It is no longer an option as of Jan 2014

Maybe they don't know where to look, the option check box was was still there this morning. I think a lot of ebay misinformation comes from folks who don't know how to use it or just want to make it look bad for their own reasons. Before believing what some seller on the phone tells you I'd suggest checking into it yourself. Maybe he just doesn't like paying the auction fees and told you something he made up? Like any segment of society ebay has a mix of weird and normal folks so take some care and know what you are bidding on and the history of the seller and 99% of the time things will be fine....DaveB

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