SP bulkhead flats

Josh Herzberg's picture

Hi all, I'm new here as of today, and am enjoying what I'm seeing of this magazine and this forum.  I have no layout, and don't belong to a club, but dabble in scratchbuilding and model collecting.  I enjoy PNW prototype railroading, especially the late, great SP!

I thought I'd share a potential pet project of mine and see if anybody has a reaction to it.  My local branch of the SP served wood products manufacturers, and twenty years ago, 57' bulkhead flats such as these were commonly seen.

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/sp509224_jim_eager.jpg          Class F70-43
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/sp509560_jim_eager.jpg          Class F70-50

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/sp509702_jim_eager.jpg          Class F70-59
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=25323             Class F70-61

These were made by Gunderson and American Car and Foundry back in the late 60's and early 70's.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a rivet counter....  I've just never seen a commercially produced kit that looks anything like these notable cars.  The old MDC Roundhouse SP car never existed as far as I know.  Cotton Belt, however, had one that looked like that (Thrall, I think?).  I have heard of some resin kit that was available at one time, but I haven't been able to chase that rumor down yet. 

Lately I've been mulling building one entirely from scratch in HO, but would prefer only building the bulkheads if I can find a car that is close this 62 foot flat car..... 

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/ssw085725_brian_ehni.jpg         Class F70-43 without bulkheads

Any thoughts? 

Josh in NW Oregon

Rio Grande Dan's picture

Welcome to Our forum Josh!!

Welcome to Our forum Josh!! and I'm sorry but I don't know of any of the Flat Models your looking for but some body here may know. If your thinking scratch building you may want to just find a Box car long enough to use as a kit bash base. Basically alot of box cars start out as a flats until the box is attached.

Anyway welcome and hope to see photos of your projects.

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

SP Bulkhead Flats

Check the index of the SP Historical Society's, Trainline magazine for the past few years.  There is a very good article about building them from styrene.

Bruce

jbaakko's picture

Welcome aboard Josh! Great

Welcome aboard Josh! Great name ;) I'd love to see some of your work, I love "odd" freight cars.
Josh Herzberg's picture

Thanks for the welcome!  If I

Thanks for the welcome!  If I ever get the dimension for these cars, I might even build one in S or O scale just for kicks.  Dan, starting with a boxcar is an idea I hadn't considered.  I wonder if there is a boxcar underframe that looks like these flats. 

Steamage, thanks for the recommendation of that SP Historical Society publication.  I checked the contents of their back issues and figured that the bulkhead flatcar project must have been listed as one of Tony Thompson's regular "Modelling the Southern Pacific" features.  Do you know which issue that was? 

Josh, yep, that's a good name!  I've got a lot more ideas floating around right now than completed scratchbuilding projects.  The few structures and rolling stock I've attempted have been wood, and I'm trying to learn to work with styrene now. 

SP in Oregon, drifting back and forth between 1975 and 1983.....

marcoperforar's picture

It's a MUG

The article is in issue 97 of the society's Trainlines: "How to model a 1960s MUG train."

(MUG means "Empty Eugene.")

Mark Pierce

Josh Herzberg's picture

Thanks, Mark.  I see that

Thanks, Mark.  I see that back issue is still available! 

SP in Oregon, drifting back and forth between 1975 and 1983.....

Josh Herzberg's picture

Nice. Real nice.

This is what I'm after. 

http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/117558827

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245748

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68246104

I'm not sure what the guy that built these used to begin with, or if he made them from scratch, but they look dandy. 

SP in Oregon, drifting back and forth between 1975 and 1983.....

Josh Herzberg's picture

I've gotten frustrated

I've gotten frustrated trying to find a suitable flatcar to start from, so I thought, 'Heck, I'll scratchbuild the sucker!' This is more of a quick and rough "learn to build with styrene" project than it is a quest for a museum quality model, which it ain't gonna be.  I used Evergreen 4080 sheet for the deck, and the rest is cut from 0.030 smooth sheet from Evergreen. Trucks will be Kadee 518s. I have a lot more to do on the car, namely the webbing on the bulkhead girders, the underframe, the stake pockets, and the draft boxes. If I get that far, I'm gonna hafta learn how to paint! This car represents the Southern Pacific F70-50, F70-59, or F70-61 classes. I chose to make this one with steel plate on the bulkhead faces instead of boards.  Any suggestions for material for stake pockets would be welcome.  I'm thinking some small C channel. 

SP in Oregon, drifting back and forth between 1975 and 1983.....

jbaakko's picture

Josh, those photos of Dave's

Josh, those photos of Dave's SP flats are indeed kits, but they're pre-production test samples (Beta kits in this modern computer tech speak era). Dave got them from Modeler's Choice. I checked them out at WPM, very nice!
kcsphil1's picture

Channel pockets

Josh,

Great project!.  I really love the slightly curved look of the uprights on the 40 series cars - perhaps that can be your next one.  For channel pockets I'd agree on the C channel.  It will be easier to cut to length and use, and will give you open pockets.

Now once you are done, make a nice mold of the sucker in RTV, and cast it in resin.  I'm willing to be you'd have mor ethen a few customers here!

Philip H. Chief Everything Officer Baton Rouge Southern Railroad, Mount Rainier Div.


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