Nate Niell
A comment I made in another thread got me thinking: Athearn's two variations of a 50' mechanical reefer are the only HO scale representations of that type of car that I can think of. There have been numerous 40' bunkers and 57' reefers in HO, but is there something I'm missing? This seems like a pretty big gap I'm HO. As someone who models 1970, ice bunkers were still in service, and the 57' cars were coming on the scene, but the majority of my reefers should be 50' cars. I have a bunch of Athearns in both PFE and Santa Fe, but a little variety would be nice! Edit: sorry for the goofy title! Fat fingers and smartphones often don't mix!
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wp8thsub

Need More?

I'd like to see more models than just those Athearn has, and see improved tooling.  Neither of Athearn's cars is right for the PFE classes they're supposed to represent.  The R-70-10 has the wrong B end (it should be an improved dreadnaught type), and the R-70-12 compounds that by putting the brakewheel at the wrong end of the car.  I'm not up on how well these cars work as stand-ins for other roads, but I doubt they're truly correct for anything.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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ctxmf74

"50 foot mech reefer?"

I've got a 50 foot kit by Pacific HO that looks a bit different than an Athearn car. Not sure what prototype it represents IIRC mine is painted for Great Northern. It's an old  flat kit that requires gluing up the body but it seems like it would make a nice car. Maybe check ebay for Pacific HO division of Silver Streak models or something like that.....DaveB

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Nate Niell

FGE Reefer

I've done some digging and it looks like Wright Trak produces a resin kit of a FGE prototype. It's a $50 kit though...I might get one and check it out. The Athearn R-70-10 is a decent enough stand in, even with the wrong ends, but the R-70-12's ribbing has always seemed too thick. This seems like a big gap for someone to fill...hint, hint...
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ctxmf74

Pacific HO

Just looked at ebay and item # 300806527765 is one of the 50 foot kits. Also saw some 50 mechanical reefers by Bachman and someone called Lima-pacific( which might just be custom-run athearn cars?) ......DaveB

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Nate Niell

Other 50's

I just ran the same search on eBay. That Pacific HO car looks like it might build up nicely. I'll do some research later and maybe make a bid. I don't think those Lima cars are custom painted Athearns. Isn't Lima European? The cars look similar, but in one of the pictures there's a molded hole just below the roofwalk for some reason. The Bachmans are obviously train set cars and look like they might even be based off of the Athearn R-70-12, with one exception: there's a PFE car that has no roof walk and short ladders. Could be an interesting project.
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ctxmf74

The Bachmans

I think I saw some that had slanted side ribs adjacent to the doors?  Trainset cars can often be made to look decent by chopping off the thick stirrup steps and replacing them with thin metal steps, maybe replacing the brake wheel, etc. Then add metal wheels,some cut levers and airhoses and some weathering and they can make good runners. I like to take cheap toys and make them into useful models.....DaveB

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wp8thsub

Lima Cars

 “I don't think those Lima cars are custom painted  Athearns. …The cars look similar, but in one of the pictures there's a molded hole j ust below the roofwalk for some reason.” 

I actually have one of the Lima cars built into a PFE R-70-10.  They are definitely not Athearn.  The tooling is coarser, and the carbody is narrower, plus they have a bizarre underbody.  The example I had used the same car number as the standard Athearn blue box model of the time (I think it was 300207), but all the lettering was a bit off of Athearn in terms of typeface, spacing, etc. 

Unlike Athearn the roof is a separate piece, and the holes on the ends are where the roof snaps into place.  When I added the new B end to mine, I had to narrow the part I used, although the end was the same width as an Athearn car.  They also have snap-in trucks, and the draft gear boxes are mounted on the trucks.  Lima omitted the fuel tanks for the refrigeration unit.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Nate Niell

Pacific HO Reefer

I think I found a picture of the NP prototype that Pacifc HO reefer is based off of.  It's just a thumbnail, but the basics seem to be right.  I might take a chance on it.

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Larry of Z'ville

Lima 50' reefers

I've seen a number of these in NYC scheme. As I remember, the roof can be removed. The roof is held in place with a circle tab on the roof and a hole on either end of the shell. There used to be a number of 50' "reefer" variations. Bachmann, TYCO, Menho (?) and others. These were really plug door boxcars that they painted as reefers. A good source of 50' reefers was the MDC Roundhouse models. These came in a wider variety of car models than the Athearn versions. Still shake the box kits. I'm sure that you can find them on eBay or at various online auction places. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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Nate Niell

MDC Reefers

Larry - what MDC reefers? All I'm aware of are the "old-time" reefers and the express reefers, both of which are ice bunker cars. I'm not aware of MDC producing a 50' mechanical reefer. I'd be happy to be wrong! On a side note, I bought that Pacific HO reefer off of eBay. I'll post pictures and report back once I receive it.
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ctxmf74

" I'll post pictures and report back once I receive it."

I think you'll be happy with the kit. I liked mine enough to pack it away and save it for possible future use when I was selling off most of my older HO scale stuff.....DaveB

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ChrisFrissell

NP 50 footer from a WrightTRAK FGE

The early 50-foot mechanical reefers have a fair number of visible design variations (e.g., roofs, ends, doors, side panel construction, ventilation grillework location and type, placard board locations) that some adaptation is needed to model them with high fidelity.  I have read that FGE Alexandria shops and Pacific Car and Foundry did some plan-sharing in the early days of development of the 50-footers (after PFE and others had experimented with mechanical retrofits of ice reefers).   PC&F built reefers for many western roads, including the NP, which I model.  

I adapted the HO WrightTrak resin kit for an early 50-ft FGE reefer to an NP series--major changes were sanding down and re-detailing the sides for a revised body panel configuration, a new scratch-built flat panel roof, and replacement grillework on the motor compartment.   I know there are a number of other NP and Burlington prototypes that are variants of this same basic body plan and can be accurately modeled with similar work on the WrightTrak or old Silver Streak/Pacific HO (OOP) kits.

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Chris Frissell

Polson, MT

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Larry of Z'ville

MDC 50' reefers

 

If this works here are three that I have seen in the past 6 months.  There have been a few more, but I do not have the pix handy.   Larry       p1_0_0_0.jpg  8_o1_0_0.jpg _tp1_0_0.jpg 

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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ctxmf74

"three that I have seen "

The blue one looks like an insulated boxcar and the other two are older express reefers ..DaveB

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Nate Niell

Chris

That reefer is awesome!
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Larry of Z'ville

Actually the blue one is the oldest

it has a metal chassis. The express reefers have the plastic floor with an inside weight which was typical of their later runs. The N&W one was identical to their plug door boxcars. In the later runs, they got closer to actual car models. More detail molded in the side and ends of the cars. I don't have the pix handy. At that time MDC was producing a much larger variety of 50' car types, boxcars and reefers. Nothing to compare with the NP model shown earlier in the thread. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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Larry of Z'ville

I did a google search

The links to a few are here: https://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/bac/bac17940.htm http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Walthers-Mainline-HO-50-Reefer-URTX-p/910-3503.htm http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/bac/bac17947.htm One is Walthers and the other two are Bachmann silver series. These are still not the quality of the earlier NP model, I think the masses are satisfied with this quality level. Most are instant gratification modelers. The quality detail can be added to this base car to come close to the NP reefer. Bottom line, 50' reefers are out there. The variation in car models may still be limited, but Somme are still available. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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Nate Niell

Larry - that Walthers 50'

Larry - that Walthers 50' reefer is intriguing, but it's an ice bunker. The Tropicana car that you linked to has possibilities, but I think that the FGE car is an insulated boxcar. I'm not looking for a top of the line replica, but just something beyond the PFE prototype cars that are out there ( and I do love PFE!). This thread has given me some good places to start!
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wp8thsub

Reefers and Not

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The blue one looks like an insulated boxcar...

If it has an AAR classification of RB, that makes it a "bunkerless refrigerator."  Many cars we modelers tend to think of as insulated boxcars are technically considered to be refrigerators - they have the same insulation to maintain the load at a near-constant temperature, they just lack the means to cool the interior back down.  These cars typically had load restraining devices so carried a code of "RBL."  A mechanical reefer was an RP, and an ice reefer an RS.  Since the car in the photo isn't a mechanical reefer, it isn't what the OP was looking for anyway.

A true insulated boxcar will have an AAR classification starting with "X," and a suffix of "I."  Many of these had load restraining devices so were classified as XLI.  These wouldn't have the same insulation as a reefer.

If the model is of the era when AAR codes were stenciled on the car (usually to the right of the "CAPY" line), check the code.  You may be surprised how many "reefers" your roster has.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Nate Niell

"If it has an AAR

"If it has an AAR classification of RB, that makes it a "bunkerless refrigerator."  Many cars we modelers tend to think of as insulated boxcars are technically considered to be refrigerators..."

 
I fall into that trap often as well.  It doesn't help when sometimes those RBs got reclassified at some point to XMs.  
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wp8thsub

That's Classified

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It doesn't help when sometimes those RBs got reclassified at some point to XMs

That would be unusual, but I suppose not unheard of (that would assume the car was no longer benefiting from insulation as far as a shipper needed to know, and had no loading devices ).  PFE had some cars (like old R-70-10s) which ran in top ice service with the refrigeration units removed, so they started as RP and ended up as RB.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Nate Niell

WP reclassified cars

I don't have the information in front of me, but WP had a couple of classes of RBLs that were reclassified XMI when they were rebuilt in the early 70s.
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wp8thsub

Oh Yeah

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...WP had a couple of classes of RBLs that were reclassified XMI when they were rebuilt...

They actually did have some of those.  They did have several batches rebuilt (or eventually reclassified) as XLIs, but there were some odd ones stripped of everything.  Number series 61101-61296 included some ex-Tidewater Southern cars.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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shoofly

50' reefer upgrade

The 50' reefer has been pretty much the odd man out as far as being a high end model. Maybe it is due to it being refferred to as being a "transitional" design. Also consider that the Intermountain and Red Caboose reefers are still pretty recent all things considered. A friend of mine, Brian Rutherford, took matters into his own hands and started chopping on an Athearn Blue Box 50' reefer replacing the ends and shaving off the molded on ladders. http://www.pbase.com/railvan/image/123413428 http://www.pbase.com/railvan/image/123413430 It seems if a modeler desires the 50' mechanicals, one would need to resort to rolling their own from either existing kits, replacing the ends and such or scratch building using archer rivets and flat styrene. Not impossible and actually looks like a pretty fun project IMHO. An article about how to kitbash each design in model form would be of great interest and value to a good many modelers out there, myself included. Chris
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