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Since completing the Cedar Creek scene https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/cedar-creek-modeling-water-on-the-8th-sub-12193357 , I've worked on some additional watercourses.  Cedar creek used epoxy resin, while these don't.  I like injecting some variety.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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A Start

This scene has two separate bridges and water courses.

Here's the smaller of the two, crossed by a Micro Engineering girder bridge.  The abutments are scratchbuilt from styrene.  Note how I haven't created final contours at this point for the fill below the track.  Real dirt and rocks will be used for that.  Various other details like guard rails will also come later.

A couple feet away is this truss.  Before painting the plaster, I smoothed the future water area with drywall mud and sanded it smooth.  I wasn't sure yet exactly where the banks would end up, so I smoothed a wider swath than would eventually be needed.  Everything 3-D received the same latex tan paint, and the temporary backdrop was added.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Next

Before adding ground cover, I painted the finished backdrop.

I determined where the water would go, and underpainted the river bottoms.  I followed this by gluing down the initial ground cover sand. 

The fill at left is underway.  I piled natural dirt and rocks to create the fill slopes.  The same would be done on the other end of this bridge, along with the girder span.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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More Buildup

With the locations of each water course established, I mixed a slurry of sand and diluted white glue for the banks.  I spread a couple of layers to build some height, allowing the glue to dry in between.  The mixture was applied with the same palette knife I use to carve plaster rocks. 

I then painted the final creek bottom color with acrylics.  All of the green is black mixed with cadmium yellow deep.  Moving away from the center, increasing amounts of yellow, and then tan craft paint, are mixed in.  All of this is blended thoroughly to ensure smooth transitions.  Visible brush marks detract so they were ruthlessly eliminated.  While I had the paints out I also weathered the abutments.

Unlike the earlier rocky canyon of Cedar Creek, the water here flows through finer sediment in a wider bottomland.  There's no modeling of rock or rapids, so the painted plaster will serve to impart all of the water's coloration.  Study prototype photos for ideas on colors and patterns.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Doin' the Wave

Now it was time for "water."  Compare the finished banks and bottom color to the previous photo of this location above.  I decided to add waves now so stray ground cover material didn't get picked up by the brush.

Wave texture is gloss Mod Podge applied with maybe a 1/4" brush.  I use a jabbing motion, which adds greater wave height and again avoids leaving brush marks.

The scene looked like this when the Mod Podge dried.  I only used one coat.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Finishing Up

With the water in I applied the rest of the ground cover.

My usual ground foam and static grass was glued in place.  Taller green grass and broadleaf shrubs grow closer to the water.  I removed the bridges for this step so I could easily reach the areas beneath them.

Both streams received similar treatment, although I did try to keep them from being identical.

Finally came permanent bridge installation, guard rails, painting the track, and ballast.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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JLandT Railroad

I'm seriously liking that water...

That is a great way of achieving the rippled water Rob, it really does look real, it's not over board just looks like a steady flow over a river pebble bottom. You really have talas and tailings placement down pat, the placement and arrangement is always spot on. Great work as usual, and always inspiring... Jas.
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ratled

What a great start to the weekend............

with a another chapter in the 8th sub.  Thanks for the update and showing a great way to do really good looking water.  The bar will set high if the WPF thread

Steve

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Tom Patterson

Great looking scenes

Great looking scenes, Rob, as always. I'll echo Jason's comments- the Modge Podge really captures the look of gently moving water. And the tie retaining walls along the abutments are a nice touch. Tom Patterson
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michaelrose55

When it's time for me to

When it's time for me to create water I will be sending you an invitation . These are really great looking rivers!

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Thanks all

I appreciate the views and comments.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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ngaugingnut

Bookmarked for future reference

Great work! Love the mix of textures from the sand, rocks and ground cover. Marc
Marc Modelling in N
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RadioFlyer

Great Scene!

I really like the sagebrush that you have next to the bridge abutments. Did you make the sagebrush or purchase it? I would really like to get some sage brush like this, as I am also modeling western scenes. It is really hard to find foliage that even comes closer to matching this color. I tried painting some ground foam in a color close to this, but all it did was soak up the paint. Thanks.

 

 

 

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Sagebrush

It's based on Scotch "synthetic steel wool" or "paint stripping pads."  The latter are currently available in my area at Lowe's, and are stocked with the paint sundries.  I coat pieces of this material with 3M Super77 spray adhesive, then apply AMSI "Eucalyptus" or Accurail "Sagebrush" coarse ground foam.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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rickwade

Rob "Waterman" Spangler

Rob, I'm not too far away from where Michael lives so when you come to do his water you can do mine! Great looking water!

Rick

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The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

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OK Rick

I'll take care of you and Michael next time I find myself in FL. 

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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ctxmf74

Nice looking water and river banks.

The only question I have is where does it all come from? The hills behind don't look like they get much rainfall. Is there a mountain range behind them providing snow melt? ..DaveB

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rickwade

Water source

The source could be an artisian well.

Rick

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The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

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"an artisian well"

   I looked up the WP 8th sub and it ran thru nevada and utah so there's a good chance of some snowy mountains somewhere upstream :> )  ..DaveB

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michaelrose55

I'll take care of you and

Quote:
I'll take care of you and Michael next time I find myself in FL.

I hope you don't charge by the gallon!

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ctxmf74

"Perhaps it looks a bit foreign to outsiders?"

   Yeah, it depends on where you live. We have rivers running thru dry foothills but they usually have a higher mountain range just beyond them so the source is obvious. In Cali the wetter areas have tree covered mountains unless they are high country., then they would be mostly rock. The drier areas have the brown hills by the end of spring. If you could see a bit more to the left there would be the Sierra nevada  range of peaks in that Verdi crossing photo, those golden hills are in the eastern slope rain shadow..DaveB

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marzbarz

Rock Debris

This scene is awesome to look at. I do have one question though. What do you use for your Rock Debris? Under and around your abutments are litters with rock and sand debris. Do you use talus for this? I'm currently working on my river scene and need some help with the adding some of this.

 

Thank you,

 

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Rocks

I built the fills in layers.  The first was some eroded shale material that had a range of sizes from fines to about 1/4".  I piled this on until I had most of the fill contour established.

On top of that I added some finer sand in different colors.  Some was the same tan/gray that I used for basic ground cover, the rest was a darker gray that approximated prototype fills in the area modeled, which look like combinations of dirt, old ballast, cinders and whatever else. 

All of these materials were obtained from nature, but if you don't have sources handy there are alternatives.  Big box home centers in my area stock play sand which can make nice ground cover, and they also have some broken aggregate type stuff in the same aisles.  Airbrushing and dry-brushing can change the colors once these are glued down, so finding an exact color match to your prototype isn't needed.  Unfortunately much of what is sold commercially is uniformly screened so getting a realistic variety of sizes can be tough.  Pounding larger pieces with a hammer can help.  Another potential problem is the prevalence of rounded rocks that aren't usually appropriate to represent blasted or crushed fill, and are often unrealistic for use in streambeds.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Matt Forcum

styrene as concrete

Great work as always. My question is what do you use to fill cracks in the styrene abutments in order to get them to look seamless like poured concrete? I've got a few I've gotta create for my layout.

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MikeC in Qld

That's some beautiful water,

That's some beautiful water, Rob.

Mike

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