richard daphne
I currently purchased the glacier gravel company and the valley cement plant kits from walthers and was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how I could incorporate them both into one design and send me some track plan ideas to assist me in my final design. I had a look at the lime ridge hercules and portland railroad in 101 track plans but I am still confused about the positioning of the buildings

Richard daphne

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Kirk W kirkifer

Just an idea

It almost seems like Glacier gravel should be in a separate town to justify rail shipment of different sizes of stone/sand. If the quarry is on the same site as the cement plant, then they would likely use an in plant system, trucks conveyer belts, etc.

I have never seen it, but it seems to me that batch plant is going to be quite large and fairly permanent to justify the cost of a switch and lead track. Furthermore, a larger plant might justify a plant owned switcher (laFarge has at least one example of this).

Something I have thought about is combing an asphalt batch plant with a cement batch plant. The same dealer might also offer crushed stone of various sizes that they get from a rail served spur.

Although it is unlikely, a pipe/box culvert manufacturer could be located on the same site.

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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RSeiler

Mr. Googles knows...

A Google image search on Cement Plant Layout returns a whole bunch of useful stuff: 

https://www.google.com/search?q=cement+plant&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS502US502&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6FpmUvuREMrc4AP68IHoCg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1023&bih=612#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=cement%20plant%20layout&revid=863232481&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

Hope that helps, 

Randy

Randy

Cincinnati West -  B&O/PC  Summer 1975

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/17997

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arthurhouston

What are you modeling

Are you modeling the interaction of railroad with plant, or the whole process? Think out side the box in that you can modify the kit. To fit your Needs. 

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richard daphne

Thank you so much for all the

Thank you so much for all the advise everyone has given me I will take it all into consideration when I am building the final layout

Richard daphne

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wp8thsub

More Ideas

Try searching the web for photos of cement plants, and checking their layout using satellite maps.  Prototype plants use a variety of configurations so looking at several examples can give you an idea of how the components can be arranged.  There's some good information on sites like the Portland Cement Association section on manufacturing  http://www.cement.org/manufacture/ , including a virtual plant tour http://www.cement.org/basics/images/flashtour.html .  That latter link shows a typical plant layout and has animation and other details of the manufacturing process which illustrate why the structures look the way they do.  There are links to other resources through Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement .

As for the kits to use, Walthers' Glacier Gravel can serve as a loading structure for multiple industries.  It's not too far off from some cement loaders I've seen, but since the kit was designed around loading open hoppers you'd need to modify it to clear taller cement hoppers used from the 60s through today.

I used a Glacier Gravel here as  the loader for a salt plant.  I extended the height of it with styrene strips to clear covered hoppers and locomotives.

This cement plant on my layout combines kitbashed parts from several kits along with scratchbuilt components.  The model ships bulk cement and also receives inbound gypsum and coal.  It only requires a few inches of depth along a narrow shelf.

 

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Cadmaster

 First of all a diagram of

First of all a diagram of the process. ocess03a.png 

These are some pictures that I found online. they are British trains but the same kits you mentioned are being used. 

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As you can see this is a fairly small footprint, but the author gets a lot into the design. Also note the narrow guage rails running into the bag house (top right to top left)

I believe if you look this through you will find that it incorporates Valley Cement, Glacier Gravel and Blue Star Ready Mix.

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Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

http://www.dixierail.com

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ctxmf74

"cement plant layout design ?"

  Are you planning a cement manufacturing plant or a cement mixing plant(Redi-mix)?  There's a big difference. A cement manufacturing plant will usually be large and be located near a source of raw materials so they should not be plopped down in the middle of a city. Davenport cement plant is a good example, it's about 12 miles out of the city. A Redi-mix plant can be pretty compact and in a city industrial area, there's two in town along the tracks of the old Felton branch heading out of Santa Cruz.

If you want a manufacturing plant and don't have a lot of room you can just model the storage and loading silos and represent the rest of the facility on a backdrop. Modern plants also can use a coal receiving facility with unloader and coal piles.So two long tracks could provide lots of covered hoppers out and open hoppers in traffic. A short spur for occasional inbound supplies and machinery would also be handy.  

If you want a Redi-mix type plant you would need a cement storage facility, a gravel storage facility, and some mixing and dispensing machinery. The cement spur could be much shorter than at a plant, the rock spur might be longer as more rock is used than cement. If the business is in the country and mines it's own rock they'd probably ship rock out instead of rock in.

If you know what kind of business you want to represent and what kind of geographical location it will be interesting to come up with some possibilities. I see someone already has posted what you'd want if modeling somewhere in the UK for instance........DaveB

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JC Shall

Batch Plant = Concrete

One of the things many folks get confused about is calling a concrete batch plant ( a ready-mix plant) a "cement plant".

The cement is one of the ingredients used to make concrete (along with sand and gravel).

I plan to have a concrete batch plant on my layout that will be rail served to bring in the sand and gravel.   Since the plant will be on the smaller side, I'll be bringing in the cement with trucks.  And of course the concrete will be delivered to the final customers using concrete mixer trucks.

A batch plant is typically much smaller than a cement plant, and as such, has fewer cars serving it.  In my area, most batch plants have no rail service, but in 1964 (my era), rail service to them was still pretty common.

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ctxmf74

in 1964 (my era), rail service to them was still pretty common"

We had one here in town in 1964 that got hoppers and gons of rock and sand but as far as I know all the cement was trucked in from the nearby( about 20 miles) cement plant. The redimix plant had a double ended spur that could hold maybe 10 cars , it had a large winch mounted on a concrete base to pull the cars in place......DaveB

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critter122

cement plant

Lafarge in Alpena Michigan has a quarry across the! road from the cement plant with rail service and a boat dock!

charlie in charleston

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Mike MILW199

Cement trucks

Are there any model cement trucks available? 

I would figure you would want more operation (play value) bringing in the cement by rail.  Cement hoppers are short, a good fit for tight model curves.  

I'm familiar with one batch plant.  They receive 15-20 car cuts of aggregate (sand and gravel), and in season 10-20 cement cars a day.  In the winter they get a car or two of cement, but no aggregate, as the pit is frozen.  The unloading shed is enclosed for winter use.  In the summer, the doors are open. 

http://goo.gl/maps/y293z  Link to see the place via Google Maps. 

Crews usually spend a while here, need to run around all the traffic to spot them.  The yard that they work out of is to the left. 

Mike  former WSOR engineer  "Safety First (unless it costs money)"  http://www.wcgdrailroad.com/

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richard daphne

According to the box it says

According to the box it says the glacier gravel company imitates an stone crusher and washer the valley cement plant is a manufacturing facility For cement What I was considering doing is positioning the gravel co in the center of the layout and placing the cement plant to one side and a concrete production plant at the other in this situation the gravel co can supply stone to the cement plant as well supplying stone for the use in concrete What are your thoughts on this

Richard daphne

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Bill Brillinger

A Group of Cement Related Industries...

Here is a group of cement related industries in a very urban setting. I believe the quarries are now closed, but it was not long ago that this was all in operation.

First up is a Concrete Recycling Company, Notice the Gons full of material arriving. This is a very busy operation and it ships the recycled powder out by rail and truck.

http://goo.gl/maps/kuPQR

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Just north of this is another concrete plant. It is now a distribution centre but was previously a large Concrete Processor; all of the old structures are still there.

http://goo.gl/maps/b5jlF

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All of this is in a very urban setting surrounded by city and plenty of other rail served industry to create a very interesting, cement focused, layout.

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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smbassref

Cement Plant Layout pictures

Just wanted to say thank you for all the great photos and ideas..

 

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