Michael Tondee

For many reasons I prefer Peco electrofrogs over their insulfrog counterparts but I'm kind of stumped about something in using them in my new layout design. I'm going to be using DC for testing purposes while laying the track but the layout will eventually be DCC.  To avoid shorts, I always remember putting a gap in each of the inside rails on the  frog end , both on the diverging and straight routes. In fact on my last layout which had a continuous run loop, I forgot this and had to go back and cut gaps  to get it to run even with DC. Now here's the question.....Being that my new layout is a switching type shelf layout with no continuous run connection, all tracks stub ended, are the gaps still necessary? Part of me is thinking they aren't but then there is a little nagging voice in the back of my mind saying that if I have multiple sets of feeders going to a buss, that the gaps are still needed. Just in case it's needed I included the layout diagram below....

Michael

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Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

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ctxmf74

"are the gaps still necessary? "

The gaps are still necessary on a powered frog so it doesn't short out the route beyond the switch when the frog polarity reverses. I don't have any Peco switches but they probably already have a gap just beyond the frog? If not you can put the gap at the end of the turnout and make it with an insulated joiner where the flextrack connects. This will give a longer frog reversing polarity segment but can save cutting gaps if they are not already there.....DaveB

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jimgif

Good Info from Wiring for DCC by Alan Gartner

Have a look at Alan's site in particular http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htm

I think you will get all the answers you may need.

Jim

Adelaide, South Australia

http://www.halletcovesouthern.blogspot.com/

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locoi1sa

A short is a short DC or DCC.

   The gaps must be there even in DC. The only difference is wiring a DCC layout over a DC layout is the quickness of the short detection in DCC. The DC power pack relies on a slow acting circuit breaker where the DCC booster needs a super fast (faster than a blink of an eye) breaker to overcome the damaging effects of the high amperage.

  Very important and highly under stressed is the importance of doing a quarter test after wiring any DCC layout. A quarter test will insure that your fault protection systems, either bulbs or breakers will function properly in event of a derailment. I have seen too many burnt wires, melted ties, and smoked out toggle switches that could have eventually burnt down the house if left unattended. Make darn sure your protection circuits work as intended!!!

               Pete

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Michael Tondee

I put together the turnout "cluster" late last night....

....and cut the gaps this morning. The cluster I'm referring to is the turnouts where the points are back to back and there is an additional curved turnout on one end and another turnout on the other.  I don't use insulated joiners and I don't have any on hand if I did so  I just used my trusty Dremel to cut the gaps and am now waiting for the CA that used to put plastic in the gaps to cure good and strong. Then I'll shave it down where wheels can pass over them without incident. 

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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santa fe 1958

Yes, of sorts....

Yes, you will need gaps, so that was the right move you did in cutting the gaps. However, on a dead-end track, in theory if you do not add anymore feeds on the inside rails, you could get away with it, but I don't recommend it. I use a mixture of Peco Electrofrogs and Micro Engineering, where the gap is already done for you! Just wish Peco would have done the same...... Brian

Brian

Deadwood City Railroad, modeling a Santa Fe branch line in the 1960's!

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Prof_Klyzlr

PECO already has gaps?

Dear Brian,

Um, I believe PECO  Code 83 turnouts already do have gaps between frog and switchrail for "DCC friendly" config, the user is just left to snip the links with a rail nipper or similar

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww303/Kettingkrad/Railway/PecoSL-E96b.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n94/Ajax46/points001.jpg

The also have a already-attached frog powering wire, usually neatly folded up between the sleepers for shipping.

As for gaps beyond the frog, each install and situation is different, and PECO have left that to the good judgement of the modeller...???

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Michael Tondee

Code 75

Actually Prof. these are code 75 and they do have the wire to the frog and the jumpers to be cut if the modeler wants but they still need gaps or an insulated joiner between the inner frog rails and the next section of track.  I've never seen an electrofrog in any Peco configuration that didn't.  MY hope was that because i did not have a continuous run and the rails won't connect back onto themselves that I might could get by without the gaps.  I don't believe now that I can and have proceeded to put the gaps in place.

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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kleaverjr

A friend used Peco Electrofrog turnouts

And yes the frogs are powered, however, they already have built in, if i recall correctly, powered routing for the frog.  That is the frog is correctly powered depending on which direction the switch of the turnout is thrown. 

Ken L.

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dkaustin

Working with Peco Electrofrogs

http://jean-louis.simonet.perso.neuf.fr/Hint6_us.htm That link has a lot of photos that should help you. Den

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     Dennis Austin located in NW Louisiana


 

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